Think Hobby Lobby is just about 4 forms of birth control? Think again!

[Newell Steamer]

Vaccinations aren't in the bible - why should they be forced to pay for them? Antibiotics also kill bacteria; strict no kill direction from the bible as well (unless, it's of course, you know what).

In fact, I don't even believe in vacations, sick days, personal days,.. or even days off on Saturday. Sunday is Lord's day - that is a more than good enough day to take off.

Yeah, this won't get out of hand.

 

[werepossum]

they are absolutely not the same thing.

this is why you are stupid.

They are the same thing up to a point, but admittedly the deviations are extreme. Condoms don't require a prescription or return visits to one's doctor, and I don't think there are massively expensive condoms for men or women for whom regular condoms don't work well. As people have pointed out, for many women generic birth control pills have unacceptable side effects. My wife still has some skin discoloration from birth control pills thirty plus years ago, and I know some women who have had fairly severe side effects.

Nonetheless, very few people are arguing that birth control should not be a covered medical expense. We're arguing that the federal government has no place ordering someone else to provide it to you for free. If the federal government believes it should be free, let the federal government provide it. There is no such thing as a free lunch, only a lunch paid for by someone else, and in my opinion this obsession for free shit is a significant problem in our society.

 

[zinfamous]

They are the same thing up to a point, but admittedly the deviations are extreme. Condoms don't require a prescription or return visits to one's doctor, and I don't think there are massively expensive condoms for men or women for whom regular condoms don't work well. As people have pointed out, for many women generic birth control pills have unacceptable side effects. My wife still has some skin discoloration from birth control pills thirty plus years ago, and I know some women who have had fairly severe side effects.

Nonetheless, very few people are arguing that birth control should not be a covered medical expense. We're arguing that the federal government has no place ordering someone else to provide it to you for free. If the federal government believes it should be free, let the federal government provide it. There is no such thing as a free lunch, only a lunch paid for by someone else, and in my opinion this obsession for free shit is a significant problem in our society.

But the birth control pill is not merely prescribed for it's named purpose. It isn't about birth control for all women.

Condoms are primarily about birth control, STDs second, and 100% always related to icky sex. This is not true with the BC pill.

 

[nehalem256]

But the birth control pill is not merely prescribed for it's named purpose. It isn't about birth control for all women.

Condoms are primarily about birth control, STDs second, and 100% always related to icky sex. This is not true with the BC pill.

So then what you are saying is that BC pills are not preventative care. Therefore destroying the supposed rationale for them being free in the first place.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm pretty confident the no charge BC was recommended by a panel of Doctors, Health experts and health insurance experts.

 

[MrPickins]

Why?

Viagra is used by men. Democrats don't give a shit about men. And view them merely as slaves to serve women.

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say stuff like this?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Well at least we know when it comes to birth control, the US has it better than Canada as they have to pay for birth control unless they can prove they don't have the means to do so.

 

[BUnit1701]

Vaccinations aren't in the bible - why should they be forced to pay for them? Antibiotics also kill bacteria; strict no kill direction from the bible as well (unless, it's of course, you know what).

In fact, I don't even believe in vacations, sick days, personal days,.. or even days off on Saturday. Sunday is Lord's day - that is a more than good enough day to take off.

Yeah, this won't get out of hand.

Its a shame we don't live in a country where an individual is free to work for someone else if their current employer enacts such draconian policies...

 

[nehalem256]

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say stuff like this?

I would expect anyone with a knowledge of reality to take my statement seriously.

As examples:

(1) ACA - Massive give away to women. Forcing men to subsidize women's health insurance. Pay for free birth control for women.

(2) "war" on women - If you don't want to pay for women making poor choices you hate women. Literal quote: "House Republicans would inflict harm on low-income women trying to have children or who are already mothers"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/o...1955ED780ACD296BB2F&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

(3) How about lefties obsessing over women's reproductive rights, and then using the exact same arguments conservatives use to deny men reproductive rights?

(4) Life of Julia. Enough said.

 

[alzan]

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say stuff like this?

He doesn't. His only intent is to drive up his post count to convince himself (and possibly others) that he is a most excellent troll.

 

[werepossum]

But the birth control pill is not merely prescribed for it's named purpose. It isn't about birth control for all women.

Condoms are primarily about birth control, STDs second, and 100% always related to icky sex. This is not true with the BC pill.

That's true, although I suspect it's the exception rather than the rule. And it's worth pointing out that no other drug is required to be provided for free, which is pretty strong evidence that the intention is to make birth control free. (Well, the intention is probably to lock up the votes of women willing to be bought for free birth control.)

I'm pretty confident the no charge BC was recommended by a panel of Doctors, Health experts and health insurance experts.

Well, in that case it's all good. No way a panel of Doctors, Health experts and health insurance experts could be wrong, or that two such panels might disagree, or that any such panel shouldn't automatically get to reach into someone else's pocket to make their dreams for America come true. Yep, you've truly covered all the bases there.

 

[pcgeek11]

None of the BC pills are "Abortion Pills".

Some would disagree with you.

 

[pcgeek11]

Spoken like a truely informed person!



Just kidding, you fucking idiot!

Birth control = Birth Control Pills, Various Foams, IUD's, Prophylactic's and many other things.

Getting pregnant is not a disease or illness.

You sir are the idiot.

 

[pcgeek11]

Government should provide free birth control for anyone not covered through Planned Parenthood,

this way we avoid the religious exemption court fights and subsequent divisions they cause which are more costly to the country than any tax payer subsidized coverage,

and women have accesss to all the free birth control they want regardless of their employers policies.

What about the men?

 

[pcgeek11]

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/birth-control-benefits

They have other treatments for those ailments.

 

[pcgeek11]

Employers pay for Viagra.

What does Viagra have to do with birth control, besides nothing.

Oh and not all do, and it is not federally mandated either.

 

[cubby1223]

Nonetheless, very few people are arguing that birth control should not be a covered medical expense. We're arguing that the federal government has no place ordering someone else to provide it to you for free. If the federal government believes it should be free, let the federal government provide it. There is no such thing as a free lunch, only a lunch paid for by someone else, and in my opinion this obsession for free shit is a significant problem in our society.

Except your problem and your solution is the exact same thing. The federal government has no right to force someone else to pay to provide this product to you for free. So, instead, the federal government will force someone else to pay to the federal government enough to cover providing this product to you for free...

?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Some would disagree with you.

Maybe you'll understand it when a doctor explains it to you.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...ly-doesnt-understand-about-contraception-obgy

 

[ivwshane]

Birth control = Birth Control Pills, Various Foams, IUD's, Prophylactic's and many other things.

Getting pregnant is not a disease or illness.

You sir are the idiot.

Maybe you should shut the fuck up when it comes to things you know nothing about?

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/11/15/

Retard!

 

[pcgeek11]

Maybe you should shut the fuck up when it comes to things you know nothing about?

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/11/15/

Retard!

Why don't you?

They have real medications for all of those ailments.

The Dems are playing the Women for fools. The sad part is they are buying into it hook line and sinker just like you.

 

[Spungo]

Maybe you should shut the fuck up when it comes to things you know nothing about?

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2011/11/15/

Retard!

What I find interesting is that nobody suggests this for men. Looking around at modern day men, it's clear that many of them have low testosterone, and they would greatly benefit from boosted testosterone. It's very similar to birth control for women. You get a cream or pills or injections and your body responds accordingly

Turns into this

:wub:
(Yeah I know they're probably gay. The really good looking men always seem to be gay.)

I'm not saying anything for or against obamacare. I'm just thinking it would be nice if more men looked like..... men. I would definitely pay a few dollars to get better looking men, but it turns into a moral question of whether or not other women should be forced to pay for men to look better.

 

[her209]

Nonetheless, very few people are arguing that birth control should not be a covered medical expense. We're arguing that the federal government has no place ordering someone else to provide it to you for free. If the federal government believes it should be free, let the federal government provide it. There is no such thing as a free lunch, only a lunch paid for by someone else, and in my opinion this obsession for free shit is a significant problem in our society.

What's considered "free" to you? I mean, those benefits are being received after paying a monthly premium to the insurance companies, so its hard to argue that the recipient is getting it for "free".

Also, as far as I know, I can't buy gender-specific medical insurance policies, probably due to federal/state regulations. Am I being "forced" by the government to pay for services that I will never use?

 

[nehalem256]

Also, as far as I know, I can't buy gender-specific medical insurance policies, probably due to federal/state regulations. Am I being "forced" by the government to pay for services that I will never use?

Actually until Obamacare you could. One of the goals of Obamacare was to get rid of gender ratings to force single men to subsidize health care for single women.

This is of course why BC is the only drug mandated to have no copay. Because if a medication used only by women has a copay then men wouldn't be subsidizing that portion of their health care.

The fact that medications such as Viagra do not have the same mandate just shows that liberals hate men.

 

[her209]

This is of course why BC is the only drug mandated to have no copay. Because if a medication used only by women has a copay then men wouldn't be subsidizing that portion of their health care.

The fact that medications such as Viagra do not have the same mandate just shows that liberals hate men.

Bolded above is just flat out wrong.

https://member.carefirst.com/carefi...e-care-act-preferred-preventive-drug-list.pdf

 

[glenn1]

Bolded above is just flat out wrong.

https://member.carefirst.com/carefi...e-care-act-preferred-preventive-drug-list.pdf

Vaccinations are covered without copay as well, and likely more medicines as well. I'll continue with my original point that basic care services like these (routine checkups, BC, vitamins, etc.) should be removed from health insurance coverage in favor of paying for them from Health Savings Accounts. You can even have the feds fund the HSA for their projected cost. Return health insurance to being actual health insurance instead of an all-encompassing behemoth for anything possibly related to our health or well-being.