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colonel

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US is strongest nation in the world, but their history is incomparable to that of Iraq ? a region that has been described as the cradle of civilization, with this lawless situation of the country US is going "blind" , it is hard to see in Reuters video clips as old buildings are been destroyed , if you like art o care about history is unforgiven. One point is clear the goverment didnt plan this step of the invasion, Bush said the war is no over because Tomm Frank didnt get to the Objective, what is the objective? you and me tax-payers can not know may be is Siria o Iran we'll know the bill later. Just for the remarks from Secretary of Defence (Rummy)about the humanitarian situation in Irak, upset me when he is joking about it.
Flippant remarks cannot replace priceless artefacts that have disappeared from the National Museum in Baghdad, or the books of the University of Mosul ? one of the oldest and best universities in the whole of the Middle East.

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etech

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Flippant remarks cannot replace priceless artefacts that have disappeared from the National Museum in Baghdad, or the books of the University of Mosul ? one of the oldest and best universities in the whole of the Middle East.

Tell that to the Iraqis that are doing the looting.
 

novon

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Were is the post-war security promised? Imagine if the police forces in the US were destroyed, and no one could uphold the law...it would be worse than iraq.
 

BigJ

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Originally posted by: novon
Were is the post-war security promised? Imagine if the police forces in the US were destroyed, and no one could uphold the law...it would be worse than iraq.

You guys do realize we've about successfully defeated a country in a month right? Which is unprecedented if I recall, and you want us in the next week and a half to have every family with a nice house, 2 car garage, 2.5 children, public education, and a good job? Anything else you guys want in Iraq within the next 2 weeks? Elections, massive generators for hydro-electronic power, a new government, free health care? Sure, we should have all this done within the next month too!
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Do you have any sort of grasp of time?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: novon
Were is the post-war security promised? Imagine if the police forces in the US were destroyed, and no one could uphold the law...it would be worse than iraq.

Law and order does not come overnight. Right now no laws exist in Iraq, no cops exist, nor do any judges exist. This problem will work itself as a new goverment comes in to play. And that will not happen overnight.
 

Napalm

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This is what the UN is supposed to do - maintain law and order following something like this. They are call peace keeping forces - ever heard of them?? If the U.S. and Britain were not prepared to keep the peace after they bombed the $hit out of Iraq, they should have stayed home.

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etech

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If Iraq is the "cradle of civilization" then why are the people there doing so much looting. That doesn't seem all that civilized to me.
 

AMDfreak

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Originally posted by: Napalm
This is what the UN is supposed to do - maintain law and order following something like this. They are call peace keeping forces - ever heard of them?? If the U.S. and Britain were not prepared to keep the peace after they bombed the $hit out of Iraq, they should have stayed home.

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To me, the UN had the chance to live up to their responsibilities and only showed that the Security Council is all bark and no bite. As others have pointed out, it will take time to bring complete order. While the forces that are there are plenty for defeating a bad Iraqi army, they are woefully too few to police the entire country, especially while trying to watch out for remanants of resistance and suicide bombers. We are still sending more forces to the region, and and with those forces will eventually come some semblance of greater security. I know more people are going because my brother, a Sergeant with the Army Reserve 88th Combat MP Co. is on his way now.

 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Napalm
This is what the UN is supposed to do - maintain law and order following something like this. They are call peace keeping forces - ever heard of them?? If the U.S. and Britain were not prepared to keep the peace after they bombed the $hit out of Iraq, they should have stayed home.

N

Local police forces comprised of Iraqi citizens have already been formed in some southern towns, more will follow...

The Iraqi people have also taken it upon themselves to protect their own country from looting. What else was in the museum? Maybe they were looking for more of the food Saddam hoarded for his military, maybe all the Baath party HQs, I mean schools and hospitals, were looted already....

The milions SLAUGHTERED by machetes in Rwanda are very thankfull the UN sent in someone to "keep the peace" on their behalf.
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: etech
If Iraq is the "cradle of civilization" then why are the people there doing so much looting. That doesn't seem all that civilized to me.

Amen. They were looting hospitals and stealing ambulances.
 

Alistar7

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Funny, we see all of this on American TV? Maybe I should move to France where the government CONTROLS the media..

IF you are going to bash American media, maybe you should aks yourself why the Arab world portrayed the fall of Baghdad as they did, just don't ask Iran, they didn't even ALLOW their people to se that. You think that being in the US means you get selective information, test me. Ask me about ANYTHING you think the "US" media has not reported. I will give you a link to prove you wrong on EVERY one.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: novon
Were is the post-war security promised? Imagine if the police forces in the US were destroyed, and no one could uphold the law...it would be worse than iraq.
Will the whiners ever stop? First a 3 week war is taking too long and then a 3 day peace is not happening fast enough.
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Moonbeam

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The Mantra of the week.
 

etech

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I see it only took you a few dozen times of repeating it to understand moonie.

I think you are getting better.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
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The Mantra of the week.
Cliff notes?

 

Moonbeam

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I don't know jjones. I seen it in about a hundred threads now from the Bushy tails. I got a hunch it must be a Rumsfeld remark that gets repeated over and over by the choir ad nauseum. Could it be it was stupid to go in with so few troups and then go oops, it's gonna take time. I hope the Iraqis really can get something together to stop the looting. I don't see it as something to shrug off or pretend to be OK about.
 

KF

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>US is strongest nation in the world, but their history is incomparable to that of Iraq ? a region that has been
> described as the cradle of civilization,
Sure the US is the strongest, but more importantly it is the free-est and most genereous, from which stength is the natural outcome. Yes Iraq was a cradle to civilization. Civilization in its infancy was dictatorial, totalitarian, elitest, and brutal, a tradition Saddam gloried in. If Iraq was the cradle to civilization, England and the Netherlands were the nursuries of freedom, and America was the playground where freedom grew and flourished.

>with this lawless situation of the country US is going "blind" , it is hard to
> see in Reuters video clips as old buildings are been destroyed , if you like art o care about history is unforgiven.

Scholars and archeologists were denied access to the ancient sites while Saddam controlled Iraq. A generation of scholarship has been forgone; one more dismal legacy of Saddam the Low.

> One point is clear the goverment didnt plan this step of the invasion,

Maybe you switched channels when they showed segments about all this on TV? They planned the follow-up and transition. They are currently implementing it with deliberate speed. They have an immense crew of specialists assembled and waiting in an Iraq port to take care of this sort of thing, with more crew piling up every day. Since this crew are not soldiers, they won't go in until the shooting dies down some. They would just be shot by the Baath, because you have to have firepower in present Iraq to stay alive. Only in fairy tails is it otherwise.

>Bush said the war is no over because Tomm Frank didnt get to the Objective, what is the objective? you and me
> tax-payers can not know may be is Siria o Iran we'll know the bill later.
The objective is to take control of Iraq. The generals decide when that is in hand. Who else would know? Reporters?

>Just for the remarks from Secretary of Defence (Rummy)about the humanitarian situation in Irak, upset me when he is
> joking about it.
Rumsfeld correctly ridiculed the unrealistic reporting. In no way was he filp about the humanitarian situation. It is the self-styled "moderates" who are doing a number on Don. Moderates have spent years posing as angels, while they stood aside and did nothing for Iraq.

>Flippant remarks cannot replace priceless artefacts that have disappeared from the National Museum in Baghdad, or the
> books of the University of Mosul ? one of the oldest and best universities in the whole of the Middle East.

Probably looted by the Baathist supervisors of these institutions, and taken to Syria. They would have the knowledge and connections to fence this type of loot. They'll need financing for bribes to make their escapes and set up new identities in Syria, France, and Russia.

I see the pictures of looters dragging huge things like 8 foot high industrial air conditioners behind dump trucks, and I wonder who these looters are. Who would know what the stuff was and how to fence such things, but the favored Baathist elite, the people who once ran Iraq? The Baathists destroyed Iraqi culture in order to save it. Now they are vandalizing Iraq to save their own skins.

Believe it or not, Iraq had police and doctors a few days ago. Where are they now? They police were the death squads and torturers. The employees of hospitals and government institutions were the Baathist favored elite who got everythng and lived in comfort while most of the population were allocated nothing in the government controlled economy. The police and doctors have all fled to save their skins or to save their property. They are the guilty, and they know they would pay if justice were to prevail. The wives, put up in the Palestine Hotel with the foreign reporters, screamed in terror and cried for mercy as American soldiers went by. The wives only experience under Baath rule (of which they were a part) was that they would have been killed without a thought if the soldiers were Saddam's. To rule by terror, people must be absolutely certain of a terrible fate. That lifetime of Baath experience is what motivates the police and doctors to desert instantly. They are gone well before the American forces get there. The Baath put those Saddam street scenes on TV. and hospital scenes, to give the impression that lots of authorities were still present.

In the field, before the Amercans get to a weapons stash, the Baath guard flees taking away the poison gas, not bothering with the protection suits and antidote. The reason is that Rumsfeld said there would be war crimes trials, and the Baath guard knew they would lose.