Things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for the hip hop culture?

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Aquila76

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Why has nobody (that I've seen) mentioned videos full of hot chicks wearing almost nothing, shaking & grinding their boobies and booties in your face? I could watch MTV Jams muted FOR HOURS! It's like the Spice channel, but without a plot.
 

iliopsoas

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Originally posted by: flunky nassau
All this great music being brought to the forefront as the result of hiphop producers diggin' for obscure artists to find that perfect sample.

I love how the music "artists" these days refer to stealing as "sampling." No originality whatsoever. Just find something you like and steal it.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: michaels
A majority of crappy music?

Slackers, narcissistic personality disorder in teens/20's, more respectfully and obedient adults. The list can go on forever...
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?
 

Gibson486

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: nboy22
Stupid baggy clothing that goes all the way down to your knees, half of teenagers asses hanging out of their pants.

..comes from prison. the inside is out.
And what culture glorifies/glamorizes prison life?

Country music was doing this WAY before Rap was even close to being born. Some of Johnny Cash's lyrics are as bad as anything a rapper has said if you take into account the Johnny Cash songs are old. He did a song about popping pills and burning down his GF's house. Oh and he shot a man just to watch him die.

I'm sick of rap getting blamed for everything, Country music is the root of all evil, maybe it's just more acceptable if it's a twangy redneck singing it?

Exactly. If there is anything we can learn from the Rap Culture is that it is based on love, peace and respect of the law.

MotionMan

so if a rapper says "fvck the law!" it's evil bad and wrong. but if Johnny Cash says the same thing it's not really an issue, because he's not a rapper?

...

2. I am aware of the rap lyrics where they advocate killing cops and rape and robbery, etc. Please point me to and quote the Johnny Cash lyrics of which you speak;

...

MotionMan

It has been at least eight hours since I posted this request, but I have no response yet.

He must be doing research.

MotionMan

you missed his point. He just trying to say that music has always has always pushed the envelope when it came to it's themes and it will it will continue to influence culture this way. During Cash's time, no one would ever think to makes lyrics about drive bys. However, his lyrics on pill popping were just as controversial. As time moves on, we will just push the envelope eevn more. BTW, there are plenty of country songs out there that have lyrics on killing.
 

dwell

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- Acting like you're dumb being the cool thing to do
- Glorification of murderers (Tupac is cool but Charles Manson is a whack job)
- Glorification of narcotics dealers
- Glorification of rapists
- Mass acceptance misogyny
- A song consisting of mainly curses and insults can go platinum
- You don't need to know what harmony and melody are to write a multi-platinum song
- It's ok to use the N-word (if you're a hip-hop artist)
- It's ok to be a racist (if you're a hip-hop artist)
- A lot of stupid dead white kids from the suburbs who tried to live the hip-hop lifestyle
 

DiZASTiX

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?

No. see you missed my whole point. You still don't know what hip-hop is so any sentence you use with that word is irrelevant. You're still basing your ideas on what the media is showing you, so you're only seeing it the way they want you to see it, like what you see on MTV, BET etc...stop making one part of what you perceive the embodiment of how you define hip-hop. Let's look at your statement:

"[the "hip-hop"] that [some] of [these rappers "live"] is [a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history]."

in other words

crime is bad. some people commit crime. all people are bad.

Do you see how this lacks logic? At least, this is how I'm understanding what you're saying, but please, correct me if I've misinterpreted something.

Hint: MTV is NOT hip-hop, BET is NOT hip-hop, 50 Cent is NOT hip-hop, the kid that deals drugs in your neighborhood and blasts loud rap music in his car is NOT hip-hop.
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: Aquila76
Why has nobody (that I've seen) mentioned videos full of hot chicks wearing almost nothing, shaking & grinding their boobies and booties in your face? I could watch MTV Jams muted FOR HOURS! It's like the Spice channel, but without a plot.

One word: Whitesnake.

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: nboy22
Stupid baggy clothing that goes all the way down to your knees, half of teenagers asses hanging out of their pants.

..comes from prison. the inside is out.
And what culture glorifies/glamorizes prison life?

Country music was doing this WAY before Rap was even close to being born. Some of Johnny Cash's lyrics are as bad as anything a rapper has said if you take into account the Johnny Cash songs are old. He did a song about popping pills and burning down his GF's house. Oh and he shot a man just to watch him die.

I'm sick of rap getting blamed for everything, Country music is the root of all evil, maybe it's just more acceptable if it's a twangy redneck singing it?

Exactly. If there is anything we can learn from the Rap Culture is that it is based on love, peace and respect of the law.

MotionMan

so if a rapper says "fvck the law!" it's evil bad and wrong. but if Johnny Cash says the same thing it's not really an issue, because he's not a rapper?

...

2. I am aware of the rap lyrics where they advocate killing cops and rape and robbery, etc. Please point me to and quote the Johnny Cash lyrics of which you speak;

...

MotionMan

It has been at least eight hours since I posted this request, but I have no response yet.

He must be doing research.

MotionMan

you missed his point. He just trying to say that music has always has always pushed the envelope when it came to it's themes and it will it will continue to influence culture this way. During Cash's time, no one would ever think to makes lyrics about drive bys. However, his lyrics on pill popping were just as controversial. As time moves on, we will just push the envelope eevn more.

I am not sure that Johnny Cash talking about drug addiction is the same thing as rappers talking about killing cops and committing rape. They both "push the envelope", but, still I cannot put them int he same category.

BTW, there are plenty of country songs out there that have lyrics on killing.

Yeah, well I am only looking for one set of lyrics, and so far I have none.

MotionMan
 

MotionMan

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Jan 11, 2006
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Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?

No. see you missed my whole point. You still don't know what hip-hop is so any sentence you use with that word is irrelevant. You're still basing your ideas on what the media is showing you, so you're only seeing it the way they want you to see it, like what you see on MTV, BET etc...stop making one part of what you perceive the embodiment of how you define hip-hop. Let's look at your statement:

"[the "hip-hop"] that [some] of [these rappers "live"] is [a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history]."

in other words

crime is bad. some people commit crime. all people are bad.

Do you see how this lacks logic? At least, this is how I'm understanding what you're saying, but please, correct me if I've misinterpreted something.

Hint: MTV is NOT hip-hop, BET is NOT hip-hop, 50 Cent is NOT hip-hop, the kid that deals drugs in your neighborhood and blasts loud rap music in his car is NOT hip-hop.

So, are you saying that the hip-hop life-style is one that preaches peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man?

MotionMan
 

Googer

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Nov 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?


Some KRS One lyrics I picked at random. I know nothing about KRS One, this is the first one I found:

The police them have a little gun
So when I'm on the streets, I walk around with a bigger one
(Woop-woop!) I hear it all day
Just so they can run the light and be upon their way
http://www.oleo.tv/lyrics/krs-one/sound-of-da-police/


This next song promotes narcissism, drug dealing, civil disorder, anarchy, and greed:

Snipet:
My pocket hold the safe combination
to the great paper Chase, gettin money
I learned as a youth from a drug dealer with a gold tooth

See that greenback, got my name on it
Doggone it, I want it
All and then some, and love wet income like I love redrum
Everybody wan heaven, I wan dough 24/7
365 annual with the manual instructions
Directions for corruptions, what's your function?
http://www.allthelyrics.com/song/630510/



It sure seems like KRS One is a rapper that Jesus would approve of. While on the topic of the savior, many parents find rappers to be acceptable role models for their children yet say that Jesus is bad or evil and try to keep their kids from the bible. Is it any coincidence that we have a rise in violence at about the same rate people are no longer attending church?

Summery of Modern Mentality:

Jesus = Bad
Rap, Gore, Violence, Narcissism, greed, lust, and rap role models = GOOD!



http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/krsone/
 
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Johnny Cash Lyrics (FYI I love him, just making a point)
Folsom Prison Blue
But I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die
now every time I hear that whistle I hang my head and cry..


A Boy Named Sue
Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean,
My fist got hard and my wits got keen,
I'd roam from town to town to hide my shame.
But I made a vow to the moon and stars
That I'd search the beloved patriot-tonks and bars
And kill that man who gave me that awful name.

Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
And he went down, but to my surprise,
He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.
But I busted a chair right across his teeth
And we crashed through the wall and into the street
Kicking and a' gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer.
 

DiZASTiX

Senior member
Jun 8, 2003
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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?

No. see you missed my whole point. You still don't know what hip-hop is so any sentence you use with that word is irrelevant. You're still basing your ideas on what the media is showing you, so you're only seeing it the way they want you to see it, like what you see on MTV, BET etc...stop making one part of what you perceive the embodiment of how you define hip-hop. Let's look at your statement:

"[the "hip-hop"] that [some] of [these rappers "live"] is [a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history]."

in other words

crime is bad. some people commit crime. all people are bad.

Do you see how this lacks logic? At least, this is how I'm understanding what you're saying, but please, correct me if I've misinterpreted something.

Hint: MTV is NOT hip-hop, BET is NOT hip-hop, 50 Cent is NOT hip-hop, the kid that deals drugs in your neighborhood and blasts loud rap music in his car is NOT hip-hop.

So, are you saying that the hip-hop life-style is one that preaches peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man?

MotionMan

You're still defining hip-hop solely through rap lyrics. So if you want to look at it like that, fine. Then if you're asking are there some rappers that preach peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man in their lyrics, yes, there is. But guess what, mainstream society doesn't eat that up, you don't hear it, you don't see it, so you assume it doesn't exist. Stop being so single minded about the issue.

Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?


Some KRS One lyrics I picked at random. I know nothing about KRS One, this is the first one I found:

The police them have a little gun
So when I'm on the streets, I walk around with a bigger one
(Woop-woop!) I hear it all day
Just so they can run the light and be upon their way
http://www.oleo.tv/lyrics/krs-one/sound-of-da-police/


This next song promotes narcissism, drug dealing, civil disorder, anarchy, and greed:

Snipet:
My pocket hold the safe combination
to the great paper Chase, gettin money
I learned as a youth from a drug dealer with a gold tooth

See that greenback, got my name on it
Doggone it, I want it
All and then some, and love wet income like I love redrum
Everybody wan heaven, I wan dough 24/7
365 annual with the manual instructions
Directions for corruptions, what's your function?
http://www.allthelyrics.com/song/630510/



It sure seems like KRS One is a rapper that Jesus would approve of. While on the topic of the savior, many parents find rappers to be acceptable role models for their children yet say that Jesus is bad or evil and try to keep their kids from the bible. Is it any coincidence that we have a rise in violence at about the same rate people are no longer attending church?

Summery of Modern Mentality:

Jesus = Bad
Rap, Gore, Violence, Narcissism, greed, lust, and rap role models = GOOD!



http://www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/krsone/

Oh, more lyrics :disgust:....even though this is the dumbest way to prove a point about hip-hop, I'll address it anyways. The first lyrics you quote, he's talking about dirty cops. I see nothing wrong with him expressing his anger towards them. But we could spark a whole new argument about this...

The second quote that "promotes narcissism, drug dealing, civil disorder, anarchy, and greed"...what??? How did you get that from those lyrics? I don't think you understand what rappers are talking about so you have a false idea about it...and why are you even talking about Jesus? you lost me completely in your argument...

 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Johnny Cash Lyrics (FYI I love him, just making a point)
Folsom Prison Blue
But I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die
now every time I hear that whistle I hang my head and cry..


A Boy Named Sue
Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean,
My fist got hard and my wits got keen,
I'd roam from town to town to hide my shame.
But I made a vow to the moon and stars
That I'd search the beloved patriot-tonks and bars
And kill that man who gave me that awful name.

Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
And he went down, but to my surprise,
He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.
But I busted a chair right across his teeth
And we crashed through the wall and into the street
Kicking and a' gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer.

Johnny Cash was white and wasn't a rapper, so him with violent lyrics really isn't an issue.

And for the record those lyrics are fairly tame, but look how old the songs are. Back then they were on par with what you hear today.
 

MotionMan

Lifer
Jan 11, 2006
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Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?

No. see you missed my whole point. You still don't know what hip-hop is so any sentence you use with that word is irrelevant. You're still basing your ideas on what the media is showing you, so you're only seeing it the way they want you to see it, like what you see on MTV, BET etc...stop making one part of what you perceive the embodiment of how you define hip-hop. Let's look at your statement:

"[the "hip-hop"] that [some] of [these rappers "live"] is [a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history]."

in other words

crime is bad. some people commit crime. all people are bad.

Do you see how this lacks logic? At least, this is how I'm understanding what you're saying, but please, correct me if I've misinterpreted something.

Hint: MTV is NOT hip-hop, BET is NOT hip-hop, 50 Cent is NOT hip-hop, the kid that deals drugs in your neighborhood and blasts loud rap music in his car is NOT hip-hop.

So, are you saying that the hip-hop life-style is one that preaches peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man?

MotionMan

You're still defining hip-hop solely through rap lyrics. So if you want to look at it like that, fine. Then if you're asking are there some rappers that preach peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man in their lyrics, yes, there is. But guess what, mainstream society doesn't eat that up, you don't hear it, you don't see it, so you assume it doesn't exist. Stop being so single minded about the issue.

Did I mention rap? I asked you the following:

"So, are you saying that the hip-hop life-style is one that preaches peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man?"

Well, are you?

MotinoMan
 

DiZASTiX

Senior member
Jun 8, 2003
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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: DiZASTiX
I used to take offense and get angry when I heard people talk about hip-hop like most people are in this thread, but then I realized that the people making these statements were really saying nothing. I've read every post in here and there was one or two intelligent posts. Other than that, judging solely on what most of you have said so far, 99% of you don't know what hip hop culture is. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, I'm just saying you don't know what it is, so anything you're going to say about it is just going to be ignorant. Let me put it in perspective, it would be like me answering a question about car hardware based on knowledge I gathered from watching 2 Fast 2 Furious, yeah...that bad.

The OP asked about HIP-HOP CULTURE. So far, I've really only seen rap music discussed. Hip-hop is SO much more than just rap music. So, to the OP, things that probably wouldn't exist today if not for hip-hop culture? Most of my friendships probably wouldn't exist, the life I lead wouldn't exist, it would be completely different. I wouldn't exist, because the person who I am wouldn't be the same. Of course this is only my case, and only because hip-hop and music are a huge part of my life, hip-hop is the way I live. I don't expect most people to understand that, but it is what it is...

"Rap is something you do, Hip-hop is something you live"
- KRS One

Alright, I'm done for now...

(PS. To the dude who said tentacle porn, I laughed out loud for a good 5 minutes. Thanks.)

ok, and the "hip-hop" that some of these rappers "live" is a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history. happy?

No. see you missed my whole point. You still don't know what hip-hop is so any sentence you use with that word is irrelevant. You're still basing your ideas on what the media is showing you, so you're only seeing it the way they want you to see it, like what you see on MTV, BET etc...stop making one part of what you perceive the embodiment of how you define hip-hop. Let's look at your statement:

"[the "hip-hop"] that [some] of [these rappers "live"] is [a life that glorifies crime, or glorifies past criminal history]."

in other words

crime is bad. some people commit crime. all people are bad.

Do you see how this lacks logic? At least, this is how I'm understanding what you're saying, but please, correct me if I've misinterpreted something.

Hint: MTV is NOT hip-hop, BET is NOT hip-hop, 50 Cent is NOT hip-hop, the kid that deals drugs in your neighborhood and blasts loud rap music in his car is NOT hip-hop.

So, are you saying that the hip-hop life-style is one that preaches peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man?

MotionMan

You're still defining hip-hop solely through rap lyrics. So if you want to look at it like that, fine. Then if you're asking are there some rappers that preach peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man in their lyrics, yes, there is. But guess what, mainstream society doesn't eat that up, you don't hear it, you don't see it, so you assume it doesn't exist. Stop being so single minded about the issue.

Did I mention rap? I asked you the following:

"So, are you saying that the hip-hop life-style is one that preaches peace, obeying the law and love for your fellow man?"

Well, are you?

MotinoMan

Oh, my mistake. I thought you were talking about rap because when you said "preaches" I thought you were talking about what is said in rap songs.

To answer your question, yes I do think it preaches peace and love but if by "obeying the law" you mean following every law without question and follow it just because its a law, then I agree, it doesn't preach that.