Things I trust more than hillary

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Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Yes, I know you are, but you'll happily do what I described when Hillary becomes the nominee. You've devolved into nothing but a partisan hack.
:D

You: Glad you stopped doing x
Me: I've never done x
You: Umm ... well ... errrrrr ... durrrr ... Oh, yeah! Well you will! Take that!

Lame. And dumb.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Does not compute.

It is pretty hard to argue that increasing social programs through wealth redistribution is not socialist. Particularly when the proponent considers himself to be a socialist.

Also - as someone who does pretty well for himself, it is pretty hard for me to swallow how Bernie wants to pay for all those increased social programs. Namely by taxing the shit out of everyone who has worked hard, made good decisions, and has made something of themselves. I already take home only 53% of my paycheck. 53%. That means I pay 47% of my income (which I worked extremely hard to attain) in some form of tax. I pay my fair share and anyone who says otherwise can screw off.

Your problem is you're not rich enough. If you were in the 0.1% like Romney your tax % could be in the single digits. If the super rich paid the kind of percent you pay it would be something else entirely.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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Some of you will say I am insensitive. Others will say I'm out of touch. Still others will say I'm an asshole. I might be a little bit of all of those things. But the reality is I grew up in a (very) low middle class blue collar family, I worked my way up to something better, and I am confident that every person in this country can do the same - WITHOUT the government increasing taxes and playing an ever encroaching role in our lives.

You wrote a whole lot to basically say, 'I'm a special little flower and if everyone smelled as nice as me no one would have to get plucked.'

You are espousing a let them eat cake philosophy. Well, we have tried that for more that a century and is simply does not work. For a hundred years we have been telling people to work harder and they will move up in this world, and still most people are poor. Do you really believe it is because they are all lazy? Do you really believe that everyone can be wealthy if they just tried hard enough? Is your philosophy really that shallow?

The fact is most either don't have the intelligence or the background to do it. You obviously had both and now believe that normal. It is not. Most never had anyone that cared enough about them to tell them to stay in school. Or to give them a hand up when life curb-stomped their ass. Or tell explain to them the importance of using condoms as a teenage (because abstinence only education). Or to model a good work ethic. Or a thousand other things that can go wrong before you are even fully able to understand the consequences. And yes, most need to be told these things because they are simply not able to figure it out for themselves. It is the reason milk cartons have instructions on how to open them.

One thing I fully agree with you about is that we already have enough money in government, we just need to use it better. We need to half the military budget and move that money into infrastructure and social programs. We need to have some wisdom on how we spend our money. We need to simplify our tax system, because it has gotten out of control. So, I don't fully support his tax system, but Mr. Sanders is the closest thing we have had in a really long time.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Pretty much the same thing here except i went into medicine instead of law. I guess taking half of my income when Im working at 2am on Christmas isnt good enough for the welfare crowd.

Don't worry, once the US government takes over health care entirely, they'll make sure you don't have to worry about being in that high a tax bracket. ;)
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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You wrote a whole lot to basically say, 'I'm a special little flower and if everyone smelled as nice as me no one would have to get plucked.'

You are espousing a let them eat cake philosophy. Well, we have tried that for more that a century and is simply does not work. For a hundred years we have been telling people to work harder and they will move up in this world, and still most people are poor. Do you really believe it is because they are all lazy? Do you really believe that everyone can be wealthy if they just tried hard enough? Is your philosophy really that shallow?

The fact is most either don't have the intelligence or the background to do it. You obviously had both and now believe that normal. It is not. Most never had anyone that cared enough about them to tell them to stay in school. Or to give them a hand up when life curb-stomped their ass. Or tell explain to them the importance of using condoms as a teenage (because abstinence only education). Or to model a good work ethic. Or a thousand other things that can go wrong before you are even fully able to understand the consequences. And yes, most need to be told these things because they are simply not able to figure it out for themselves. It is the reason milk cartons have instructions on how to open them.

Where hasn't it worked? Seems to be working just fine in Asia, where applicable. Funny thing is that you and many others will admit that poor upbringing is a HUGE part of the problem, not necessarily poverty, but do nothing to directly address that. How does free healthcare for everyone encourage lazy subhuman fatasses to eat better or to stop smoking, for example?
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
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Pretty much the same thing here except i went into medicine instead of law. I guess taking half of my income when Im working at 2am on Christmas isnt good enough for the welfare crowd.
See, you're falling into the trap of believing you are more important to society than some loser working a minimum wage job and living in his mom's basement so that he can spend his earnings on video games and weed. They also serve who play XBox and smoke weed while you are working. ;)
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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There are many industrious walks of life that don't pay well, but we depend on their output.

On the one hand, I've been reading newspapers at lunch since the 1950s, inside and outside government at several places and times of my life. I also took a keen interest in government document declassifications under the Presidential Records Act and the 1992 Records Collection Act.

So I have to snicker every time I recall a friend's bumper-sticker from the 2008 campaigns:

"I believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Honest Republicans."

And I've said it here before. The hype over the Benghazi tragedy and administration statements about it, and the e-mail server is sort of like the story of the fellow in Castaneda's "Tales of Power" (or "Journey to Ixtlan" [?]) who takes some mushrooms in a small room with a small fly buzzing around, then suddenly sees the fly as Godzilla.

Nobody can deny, though, that political warfare includes strategies for plucking the election-day support of the gullible. And there's a century's history emerging with Marconi for how other sorts of campaigns have an effect on something called "Public Opinion."

I suppose I can gamble on whether the FBI investigation results in anything remotely criminal. But the concoction of there being any is mostly something the believers desperately want.

The mishap of the Bush presidency has created this desperation, and is something like the story of the Emperor with No Clothes. Nobody wants to admit that he and his circle had much less than that.

Call it the "Purple Robe Syndrome" of political reaction.

What amazes me is that Chris Christie would be the one to unveil Rubio's sad mantra one would predict for any Republican debate this year: "Obama was the worst ever . . " Christie's voice had been in the chorus with that hypnotic chant since the Big Show started last year. "Feckless" I think was one way he had put it.