Things I have learned from training this season (running)

SWScorch

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I am a long distance runner. I was never very good; in high school cross country, I never made varsity, and it took until my senior year to break 20:00 for a 5K. I stayed the same through my first 2 years of college, then transferred to a different school and there started actually training instead of just running. At this new school I actually tracked how many miles I ran, and instead of doing maybe 30 miles per week, I was started doing 50-60. Within a month I ran 18:25 for a 5K. The next year I ran 17:24. I stayed around there for the next year (except for a 16:59 on what I think was a short course). Last year, I trained for a marathon. This year, I decided I would try to break 17:00 on an official course.

I set up a training plan that had me maxing out at 70 miles per week, doing doubles (running twice a day) on my recovery days after a race or workout; 4 miles easy in the morning and 6-8 easy miles in the evening. I figured this would give me more mileage while saving my legs the wear and tear of a single longer run. I did a lot of tempo runs (20-40 minutes at a "comfortably hard" pace; around 5:55-6:05 for me) and long intervals on the track (800-1200m at 5:20 pace).

I had 2 goal races; a 5K 2 weeks ago and another 5K today. On the way, I also ran a few other 5Ks earlier in the season, along with a half marathon and the 3.5 mile JPMorgan Corporate Challenge. Here is what my progression looked like:

Race (goal) [actual] - comments
5K (17:30) [17:41] - first real race of the season, not many workouts under my belt yet; big hill at mile 2 slowed me down a lot
5K (17:30) [17:06] - 6 weeks make a big difference! I actually won this race and took 18 seconds off my official 5K PR
half marathon (1:20:00) [1:19:05] - I never thought I would be able to keep 6:00s for a half marathon but apparently my fitness has improved quite a bit from a few years ago. Got 2nd in this race
3.5 mile (19:30) [19:31] - Came through 5K in 17:19 here so that's pretty cool; it was really hot too
5K (17:00) [16:54] - first official sub-17! The middle mile was uphill so my splits went 5:20, 5:41, 5:19. apparently what I've been doing has worked!
5K (16:45) [17:09] - heat got to me today... it was in the 80s and I do not run well in the heat at all. first mile was 5:17 and then it just went downhill.

So even though my last race of the season didn't go as planned, I did still break 17:00 on an official 5K and ran a huge PR in the half marathon (previous was 1:21:23). I noticed that when doing doubles, I usually ran the morning run a minute per mile slower than usual (I'm not a morning person either) and ran the evening run much faster even though the pace felt the same. I usually felt fairly bad on these days but I always felt better the day after. I think I will keep the doubles in my schedules and try to double more often; maybe do an easy 4 in the morning before a typical 10-miler in the evening too. I also think I need to do more sprintwork; 200s and 400s to work on my leg speed and turnover. I can keep 6-flats forever, but anything under 5:45 or so feels very fast.

What does this mean to everyone else? Well, if you're serious about running, first and foremost, as nick1985 said in his post, you need to experiment and find out what works best for you. I've been running for almost 10 years and I still don't know what the ideal training plan is, but every season I make some modifications and find out what works and what doesn't.

Secondly, consistency is the single most important factor in running fast. You don't have to go out and hammer 10 miles every day for a year, but running at least 5 days a week and keeping that for a while will make you a better runner, period. Do that year after year and you will see remarkable improvements. In high school I always had this dream of being able to run 10 miles at a 7:00 pace. That is now an easy run for me, and I can run 10 in under an hour now.

Third; different workouts work different systems in your body. Tempo runs increase your ability to buffer lactic acid and keep a quick but not all-out pace for a long time. short repeats improve leg turnover and stride efficiency. long intervals raise your muscles' ability to use oxygen. Depending on what type of race you want to specialize in and your natural strengths and weaknesses, you should focus on different workouts.

Four: higher mileage almost always results in improvement as well. I used to think I was a lower mileage runner because after my first year at my new college and running high mileage, I kept getting injured. Then someone told me to slow down and just take it easy. Instead of running every run at a sub-7:00 pace, I ran 7:30 pace on my easy days. sure enough, I was able to run 70+ miles with no problems and even had some 80+ mile weeks. If you increase your mileage slowly, and slow your pace down too, you will adapt to the new stress and become better. Doubles help you get the mileage up too while cutting some of your daily runs in half. Note that you should still have at least one day dedicated to a long run so you don't miss out on the adaptations that come from that (increased mitochondria and capillaries).

So, to sum it up, the most important thing you can do to improve is to run consistently. Don't take too many days off in a week, don't run 50 miles one week and 10 the next, and don't take summers or winters off. It's good to take a week or two after a season to let the body recover, but any more than that and you will have to start off some scratch again. Running more miles will help too, but you have to be very careful and do it slowly and monitor your body to make sure you're not pushing too much, too fast. Once you're at a good mileage, you have to identify your strengths and weaknesses and what you'll have to work on to run well in the distance you'll be racing. Add doubles if you're feeling adventurous. And above all, don't forgot that easy days are meant to be easy!!!! If you run too hard on your easy days, you won't be able to give 100% effort in the workouts and races. And, easy days are actually when you improve; workouts tax the body, and easy days provide the recovery period when your body rebuilds even stronger.

With that, I bid you adieu. I smell and must shower. :D
 

Megatomic

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Good info Scorch. I do 4 days a week with Sunday being a double. But when I get a new bike, my runs are going to shorten some to make room in my schedule for riding. I get bored on my recumbent stationary bike so my rides are short but furious. I can't wait to go on long fast rides out in the real world.

Do you have any tips for balancing those two workouts Scorch? I'm getting pretty good at the run (I can do 10K in 45 minutes consistently), last year this time I couldn't even do a 5K. My longest run is 9 miles, but I feel like I could do 11 if I tried and it wasn't so damned hot outside. I'm hoping to do a half marathon sometime this year, but it won't be a fast run. I just want to do it - for the confidence.
 

SWScorch

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Thanks mega. As for balancing running and biking, I would say that taking a day off from running to bike is probably ok; it's good cross training and you get the aerobic benefit without the impact. Or if you are feeling brave, you could even do a BRICK workout (Bike Run Ick!) where you go for a run after biking; I've done it it feels weird until you get your "land legs" back. I'm not a biker at all, so I can't offer any advice on that, though.

It sounds like you have made some definite improvements! 9 miles is nothing to sneeze at (or 11, which if you can do 9 I'm sure you can do 11). That alone will get you through a half marathon. 10K in 45 is pretty darn good; about what I was doing a few years ago. You could probably run 1:40-1:50 for a half with that kind of fitness. Some tempo runs would help you bring that down even further. If you want a sample plan, I would alternate a long run, a tempo run and a medium-long run with days of biking and some easy runs thrown in too; that should be pretty good for letting you run a half marathon pretty well without wearing yourself down too much. Good luck; let us know how it goes!!
 

nick1985

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Mega, keep in mind its not ALL about total mileage..its about the quality of miles you run. Going out and plodding for 10 miles with bad form and a slow pace will probably do more harm than good. Make sure you are staying mechanically efficient while you run. If you cant do a solid 10 mile run with good form, its best to drop the run down a few miles than to limp in with piss poor form and bad pace. Its just bad for your body and demoralizing.
 

Megatomic

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I do both workouts as I'm training for triathlon competitions. I plan to be fit and ready for an ironman in 2010, and a half iron in 2009 would be great. That's why I want to be able to complete a half marathon this year...

Scorch, those tips look pretty good. I'm not very consistent as to which workout I do on which days, except Sunday which is a long run and a double day. Will the rotation you recommend actually help me up my mileage and improve my speed?

nick, I try my best to pay attention to my form when I'm running. As a new runner and a bigger guy my form was horrible when I started off (I weighed over 200 when I first started running, my fattest weight was 280 or so) and I tended to overpronate. Things were so bad my achilles was close to blowing out and I was suffering with plantar fasciatis. Some NB trainers (767) and alot of practice and stretching and now I'm doing pretty well.

The only thing I wish I was doing now that I'm not is running with a partner. I have no one to train with so running and biking are lonely times.
 

Kaido

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Thanks for the info! I want to do a triathlon someday as well and this is good information. Especially considering I can't run to the mailbox without the lactic acid kicking in, haha.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
The only thing I wish I was doing now that I'm not is running with a partner. I have no one to train with so running and biking are lonely times.

Oh yeah, that makes a HUGE difference for me. I don't mind short rides by myself, like 3-4 miles or whatever, but on long rides it's so nice to have someone to talk to, or just someone to keep pace with. It's not quite like running where you can slap on some headphones and just take off, because you have to be more wary of traffic. I wonder if there are any "training buddies" websites in existence...
 

Megatomic

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If you find one Kaido, post it up. I'll do the same. I do have one place I'm gonna look, ontri.com may have a facility to match you with someone local but I can't remember.
 

nick1985

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We should make a sticky on here for workout buddies with locations and such...:p


If anyone lived in my area I would deffinately help them train for running. I get bored as well by myself :( (DeKalb/Sycamore area in IL)
 

gramboh

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For the experienced runners in this thread, do you use a forefoot striking technique, like POSE? I've only recently learned about his, and apparently it is a lot more efficient than heel striking (what I do, as a newbie) in terms of energy usage and joint/muscle wear and tear. I don't run very much, usually once a week, for general fitness, but I'm thinking about trying to learn a better stride since I'm sure mine sucks crap. I've done a few 5k and 10k, my 10k time is usually around 55min and I did my first half this summer, horrible time of 2:25 (walked a bunch, got a horrible blister which screwed up my stride around 16km).

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SWScorch

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gramboh, I used to be a terrible overstrider; the heels of my shoes would always be worn all the way down before any other part showed any signs of wear. The past few years, I have indeed tried to reshape my technique, including adopting a more mid/forefoot strike and carrying my arms a bit higher (which helps to prevent them from swinging too far to the other side of my chest). I don't use POSE per se, but 2 pieces of advice I read in a Running Times magazine really helped me. It said you should lean forward from the ankles, not the hips (which I believe POSE preaches as well) and to imagine that you are running on a non-motorized treadmill, so you have to forcibly push the "belt" backwards as you run. I am still working on this, and it feels weird since I've been running my usual way for so long, but when I try this I notice a big difference. I can usually run about 5-10 seconds faster per mile with the same effort level when I do this. I can't do it for very long because I'm still getting used to it, but I do think that adopting a more efficient gait is a part of being successful. I think it is much much smaller than the points I emphasized in my original post, but if you're serious, I'd say go for it. Oh, and other thing; running barefoot on grass helps you adopt a more natural, efficient stride too, since you don't have those big heavy artificial shock absorbers on your feet, you are forced to run as lightly as possible and use your muscles to lessen the impact rather than crashing down hard on a locked knee and your heel. Start slow; 10 minutes a week barefoot, and gradually work up. Last year I was doing about 10-25 miles a week barefoot on grass. It feels wonderful too!
 

gramboh

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Cool, thanks for the tips, I'm definitely a novice and agree your intial points are the most relevant. I figured since I am new I may as well try to make stride changes now as it might be easier. I'm thinking about signing up for a clinic sometime this summer to have a coach look at my stride. I like the idea of barefoot in the grass, I will have to try that soon.
 

Megatomic

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A coach sure would be awesome. It would take a hell of a lot of guesswork out of my current training plan. And I agree with gramboh, the sound of running barefoot in the grass is appealing, it's gotta beat pounding the blacktop in my 767s.