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Things are better in Iraq.

tommywishbone

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Normally an explosion like this kills 45-50 people. This time it only killed 25. Thanks for the freedom & democracy bush; you're a true credit to the human race.

Bomber kills 25 at cafe in northern Iraq By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer
18 minutes ago, July 16, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated explosives Sunday inside a northern Iraqi cafe popular with Shiites, killing 25 people and injuring 23, an Iraqi general said. EMENT

The attack occurred just after sunset at a cafe in the outdoor market in Tuz Khormato, a mostly Turkomen city 130 miles north of Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin said. Turkomen, one of Iraq's ethnic groups, are mixed Sunni and Shiite. Amin said Shiites favored the cafe because it was located near a Shiite mosque.

Earlier Sunday, six of more than 30 people seized at an Iraqi Olympic Committee meeting were released in Baghdad, while a British soldier was killed during a raid in southern Iraq.

The six hostages were left blindfolded and unharmed in the capital's Baladiyat neighborhood, Iraq's Sport Journalist Union said. There was no word on the other hostages, including the Olympic National Committee chairman, Ahmed al-Hijiya.

A former member of Iraq's Olympic committee, Nashat Mahir al-Salman, 75, was the first abductee dropped in the neighborhood, followed hours later by Baghdad soccer coach Ahmed Subhi and four security guards, the sports union said.

The victims were seized Saturday in a daylight attack in the heart of Baghdad. Gunmen blindfolded and handcuffed participants and bodyguards, hustled them into about a dozen vehicles and sped away. The bodies of two bodyguards were found dumped on a street.

The International Olympic Committee in Geneva condemned "these acts against the sport community" and called for the immediate release of the hostages.

The coach of Iraq's national wrestling team was killed Thursday in Baghdad.

The British soldier was killed during an operation in Basra province to capture "those associated with terrorist activities," the British Defense Ministry said. It was the first British death by hostile fire in seven weeks. Another soldier was wounded.

"British soldiers came under small arms fire and two soldiers sustained gunshot wounds," the ministry said. "It is with great regret that we can confirm one of the soldiers has subsequently died of these injuries."

Two suspects were arrested after the exchange of fire.

Britain has about 7,200 troops in southern Iraq, and its military has reported 114 deaths in the country since the war began in 2003.

Southern Iraq, with its overwhelmingly Shiite population, is generally quieter than Baghdad and Sunni areas to the north. But security in Basra deteriorated last year after Shiite militiamen infiltrated the police force.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to crack down on lawlessness there.

In Baghdad, a bomb hidden in a trash bag exploded in a commercial area of the Karradah district, killing four people and wounding 21 others, police said.

One person was killed and two were wounded when a bomb exploded near a police patrol in north Baghdad, police said.

In the northern city of Kirkuk, two barbers were killed in a drive-by shooting, police said. Drive-by shootings killed one person in Mosul and another in Muqdadiyah, northeast of the capital.

End-----------------------------------


 
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Normally an explosion like this kills 45-50 people. This time it only killed 25. Thanks for the freedom & democracy bush; you're a true credit to the human race.

Bomber kills 25 at cafe in northern Iraq By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer
18 minutes ago, July 16, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated explosives Sunday inside a northern Iraqi cafe popular with Shiites, killing 25 people and injuring 23, an Iraqi general said. EMENT

The attack occurred just after sunset at a cafe in the outdoor market in Tuz Khormato, a mostly Turkomen city 130 miles north of Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin said. Turkomen, one of Iraq's ethnic groups, are mixed Sunni and Shiite. Amin said Shiites favored the cafe because it was located near a Shiite mosque.

Earlier Sunday, six of more than 30 people seized at an Iraqi Olympic Committee meeting were released in Baghdad, while a British soldier was killed during a raid in southern Iraq.

The six hostages were left blindfolded and unharmed in the capital's Baladiyat neighborhood, Iraq's Sport Journalist Union said. There was no word on the other hostages, including the Olympic National Committee chairman, Ahmed al-Hijiya.

A former member of Iraq's Olympic committee, Nashat Mahir al-Salman, 75, was the first abductee dropped in the neighborhood, followed hours later by Baghdad soccer coach Ahmed Subhi and four security guards, the sports union said.

The victims were seized Saturday in a daylight attack in the heart of Baghdad. Gunmen blindfolded and handcuffed participants and bodyguards, hustled them into about a dozen vehicles and sped away. The bodies of two bodyguards were found dumped on a street.

The International Olympic Committee in Geneva condemned "these acts against the sport community" and called for the immediate release of the hostages.

The coach of Iraq's national wrestling team was killed Thursday in Baghdad.

The British soldier was killed during an operation in Basra province to capture "those associated with terrorist activities," the British Defense Ministry said. It was the first British death by hostile fire in seven weeks. Another soldier was wounded.

"British soldiers came under small arms fire and two soldiers sustained gunshot wounds," the ministry said. "It is with great regret that we can confirm one of the soldiers has subsequently died of these injuries."

Two suspects were arrested after the exchange of fire.

Britain has about 7,200 troops in southern Iraq, and its military has reported 114 deaths in the country since the war began in 2003.

Southern Iraq, with its overwhelmingly Shiite population, is generally quieter than Baghdad and Sunni areas to the north. But security in Basra deteriorated last year after Shiite militiamen infiltrated the police force.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to crack down on lawlessness there.

In Baghdad, a bomb hidden in a trash bag exploded in a commercial area of the Karradah district, killing four people and wounding 21 others, police said.

One person was killed and two were wounded when a bomb exploded near a police patrol in north Baghdad, police said.

In the northern city of Kirkuk, two barbers were killed in a drive-by shooting, police said. Drive-by shootings killed one person in Mosul and another in Muqdadiyah, northeast of the capital.

End-----------------------------------


Yep, cause democracy never comes with bloodshed, and always happens within 4 years of a Tyrant being disposed of.
 
While the US can give the freedom to make a choice, we can't run every single person's lives. It isn't as if the same thing could not happen in the US. I guarentee you that every single person here can figure out how to make a bimb large enough to kill at least 25 people from items easily purchased at a store. In the middle east they have the advantage of having access to old munitions. The real different is that more people there choose to commit these acts. Sure, we can make an effort to dissuade people from going down that path, but there is nothing we can do to prevent it, that is up to the locals.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE


Yep, cause democracy never comes with bloodshed, and always happens within 4 years of a Tyrant being disposed of.

Yes, it typically comes from internal strife and the dedication and sacrifice of those citizens who think a free country is more important then their lives.

Or foreign invasion from people who don't understand your history, language and religion. One of the two...
 
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: RichardE


Yep, cause democracy never comes with bloodshed, and always happens within 4 years of a Tyrant being disposed of.

Yes, it typically comes from internal strife and the dedication and sacrifice of those citizens who think a free country is more important then their lives.

Or foreign invasion from people who don't understand your history, language and religion. One of the two...

I think it's the first one.
 
Originally posted by: Pens1566
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: RichardE


Yep, cause democracy never comes with bloodshed, and always happens within 4 years of a Tyrant being disposed of.

Yes, it typically comes from internal strife and the dedication and sacrifice of those citizens who think a free country is more important then their lives.

Or foreign invasion from people who don't understand your history, language and religion. One of the two...

I think it's the first one.

Yeah this lil civil war pretty much points to the first one. 🙂

 
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.
 
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Thanks for the freedom & democracy bush; you're a true credit to the human race.
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. 😛
 
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Translation: We aren't losing, but we aren't making much progrees either.

It's an interesting way of (not) answering the question by speaking in a way so as to make the situation not sound negative. People like that can make the shittiest situations sound just fine and dandy.

Kind of reminds me of the Iraqi information minister when he was talking about how Iraq was winning just as U.S tanks were rolling into Bagdad.
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Translation: We aren't losing, but we aren't making much progrees either.

It's an interesting way of (not) answering the question by speaking in a way so as to make the situation not sound negative. People like that can make the shittiest situations sound just fine and dandy.

Kind of reminds me of the Iraqi information minister when he was talking about how Iraq was winning just as U.S tanks were rolling into Bagdad.

The reason he has to sugar coat it is because everyone expected results within a year or two of Sadamm leaving. Most Americans I would venture to say barely know any world history besides what is spoonfed to them.

 
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Which came after about 15 seconds of complete silence on his part after the ? was asked. Then he went on to repeat the ? before giving that answer.
 
The honest answer should have been---not---"We are not losing"----but rather---"We have not lost yet and may possibly win." In a large country like Iraq---there will be signs of progress. And grim signs that the opposition is winning co-existing at the same moment in time.---the danger is letting some over optimistic spokesman cherry pick the good news while ignoring the bad news.

But every years I get more pessamistic about Iraq---an intervention I did not support in the first place---but I now have a stake in a US victory---because I don't want to pay the huge cost of a US defeat.

But for the more realistic it may be a question of how the US loses----as in a VietNamese style peace with honor--where we sail home saying yipee we won when we lost. Just as a realisation we gradually come to---with the excuses and justifications coming later for domestic sloganeering for the masses.

Or will we just wake up one day---and realise our position is totally untenable---and will be lucky to withdraw our forces before they get really damaged as the whole mid-east goes civil war.---and nothing moves on the land or sea without becoming a target.---and we have to evacuate 100,000 plus troops fast.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Translation: We aren't losing, but we aren't making much progrees either.

It's an interesting way of (not) answering the question by speaking in a way so as to make the situation not sound negative. People like that can make the shittiest situations sound just fine and dandy.

Kind of reminds me of the Iraqi information minister when he was talking about how Iraq was winning just as U.S tanks were rolling into Bagdad.

The reason he has to sugar coat it is because everyone expected results within a year or two of Sadamm leaving. Most Americans I would venture to say barely know any world history besides what is spoonfed to them.

Haha reminds me of that time I won a bet that the US, at one point, supported / financed al Qaeda. The dude I bet was "without a shadow of a doubt" that we'd never do that.

Oh well, people will be people and will much rather accept the fact that the government knows what its doing than realize it's destined to failure.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Translation: We aren't losing, but we aren't making much progrees either.

It's an interesting way of (not) answering the question by speaking in a way so as to make the situation not sound negative. People like that can make the shittiest situations sound just fine and dandy.

Kind of reminds me of the Iraqi information minister when he was talking about how Iraq was winning just as U.S tanks were rolling into Bagdad.

The reason he has to sugar coat it is because everyone expected results within a year or two of Sadamm leaving. Most Americans I would venture to say barely know any world history besides what is spoonfed to them.

In all fairness, that expectation developed as a direct result of the Bush administration spending the months leading up to the war telling us how easy and quick things were going to be. Cheap, fast, "shock and awe" war that would end with us being greeted with sweets and flowers as liberators...remember all that? I don't think you can blame the average American for assuming that the people planning the invasion knew what they were talking about. In retrospect, trusting that Bush knew what he was doing was colossally stupid...but that's why they call it retrospect.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Translation: We aren't losing, but we aren't making much progrees either.

It's an interesting way of (not) answering the question by speaking in a way so as to make the situation not sound negative. People like that can make the shittiest situations sound just fine and dandy.

Kind of reminds me of the Iraqi information minister when he was talking about how Iraq was winning just as U.S tanks were rolling into Bagdad.

The reason he has to sugar coat it is because everyone expected results within a year or two of Sadamm leaving. Most Americans I would venture to say barely know any world history besides what is spoonfed to them.

The reason he has to "sugar coat" it is many in the military sees it as their duty to support the civilian leadership or else they will get fired by the Bushies (see Shineski).
If anyone has taken the time to read Plan of Attack, Cobra II or My Year in Iraq by Paul Bremer they would know that we have nowhere near enough troops to expect any kind of positive outcome.
A strong dictator with the support of an undemocratic election is, sadly, the best we can hope for in Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Normally an explosion like this kills 45-50 people. This time it only killed 25. Thanks for the freedom & democracy bush; you're a true credit to the human race.

Bomber kills 25 at cafe in northern Iraq By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer
18 minutes ago, July 16, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated explosives Sunday inside a northern Iraqi cafe popular with Shiites, killing 25 people and injuring 23, an Iraqi general said. EMENT

The attack occurred just after sunset at a cafe in the outdoor market in Tuz Khormato, a mostly Turkomen city 130 miles north of Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin said. Turkomen, one of Iraq's ethnic groups, are mixed Sunni and Shiite. Amin said Shiites favored the cafe because it was located near a Shiite mosque.

Earlier Sunday, six of more than 30 people seized at an Iraqi Olympic Committee meeting were released in Baghdad, while a British soldier was killed during a raid in southern Iraq.

The six hostages were left blindfolded and unharmed in the capital's Baladiyat neighborhood, Iraq's Sport Journalist Union said. There was no word on the other hostages, including the Olympic National Committee chairman, Ahmed al-Hijiya.

A former member of Iraq's Olympic committee, Nashat Mahir al-Salman, 75, was the first abductee dropped in the neighborhood, followed hours later by Baghdad soccer coach Ahmed Subhi and four security guards, the sports union said.

The victims were seized Saturday in a daylight attack in the heart of Baghdad. Gunmen blindfolded and handcuffed participants and bodyguards, hustled them into about a dozen vehicles and sped away. The bodies of two bodyguards were found dumped on a street.

The International Olympic Committee in Geneva condemned "these acts against the sport community" and called for the immediate release of the hostages.

The coach of Iraq's national wrestling team was killed Thursday in Baghdad.

The British soldier was killed during an operation in Basra province to capture "those associated with terrorist activities," the British Defense Ministry said. It was the first British death by hostile fire in seven weeks. Another soldier was wounded.

"British soldiers came under small arms fire and two soldiers sustained gunshot wounds," the ministry said. "It is with great regret that we can confirm one of the soldiers has subsequently died of these injuries."

Two suspects were arrested after the exchange of fire.

Britain has about 7,200 troops in southern Iraq, and its military has reported 114 deaths in the country since the war began in 2003.

Southern Iraq, with its overwhelmingly Shiite population, is generally quieter than Baghdad and Sunni areas to the north. But security in Basra deteriorated last year after Shiite militiamen infiltrated the police force.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to crack down on lawlessness there.

In Baghdad, a bomb hidden in a trash bag exploded in a commercial area of the Karradah district, killing four people and wounding 21 others, police said.

One person was killed and two were wounded when a bomb exploded near a police patrol in north Baghdad, police said.

In the northern city of Kirkuk, two barbers were killed in a drive-by shooting, police said. Drive-by shootings killed one person in Mosul and another in Muqdadiyah, northeast of the capital.

End-----------------------------------


Yep, cause democracy never comes with bloodshed, and always happens within 4 years of a Tyrant being disposed of.

When was Bush disposed?
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Normally an explosion like this kills 45-50 people. This time it only killed 25. Thanks for the freedom & democracy bush; you're a true credit to the human race.

Bomber kills 25 at cafe in northern Iraq By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer
18 minutes ago, July 16, 2006.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated explosives Sunday inside a northern Iraqi cafe popular with Shiites, killing 25 people and injuring 23, an Iraqi general said. EMENT

The attack occurred just after sunset at a cafe in the outdoor market in Tuz Khormato, a mostly Turkomen city 130 miles north of Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin said. Turkomen, one of Iraq's ethnic groups, are mixed Sunni and Shiite. Amin said Shiites favored the cafe because it was located near a Shiite mosque.

Earlier Sunday, six of more than 30 people seized at an Iraqi Olympic Committee meeting were released in Baghdad, while a British soldier was killed during a raid in southern Iraq.

The six hostages were left blindfolded and unharmed in the capital's Baladiyat neighborhood, Iraq's Sport Journalist Union said. There was no word on the other hostages, including the Olympic National Committee chairman, Ahmed al-Hijiya.

A former member of Iraq's Olympic committee, Nashat Mahir al-Salman, 75, was the first abductee dropped in the neighborhood, followed hours later by Baghdad soccer coach Ahmed Subhi and four security guards, the sports union said.

The victims were seized Saturday in a daylight attack in the heart of Baghdad. Gunmen blindfolded and handcuffed participants and bodyguards, hustled them into about a dozen vehicles and sped away. The bodies of two bodyguards were found dumped on a street.

The International Olympic Committee in Geneva condemned "these acts against the sport community" and called for the immediate release of the hostages.

The coach of Iraq's national wrestling team was killed Thursday in Baghdad.

The British soldier was killed during an operation in Basra province to capture "those associated with terrorist activities," the British Defense Ministry said. It was the first British death by hostile fire in seven weeks. Another soldier was wounded.

"British soldiers came under small arms fire and two soldiers sustained gunshot wounds," the ministry said. "It is with great regret that we can confirm one of the soldiers has subsequently died of these injuries."

Two suspects were arrested after the exchange of fire.

Britain has about 7,200 troops in southern Iraq, and its military has reported 114 deaths in the country since the war began in 2003.

Southern Iraq, with its overwhelmingly Shiite population, is generally quieter than Baghdad and Sunni areas to the north. But security in Basra deteriorated last year after Shiite militiamen infiltrated the police force.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to crack down on lawlessness there.

In Baghdad, a bomb hidden in a trash bag exploded in a commercial area of the Karradah district, killing four people and wounding 21 others, police said.

One person was killed and two were wounded when a bomb exploded near a police patrol in north Baghdad, police said.

In the northern city of Kirkuk, two barbers were killed in a drive-by shooting, police said. Drive-by shootings killed one person in Mosul and another in Muqdadiyah, northeast of the capital.

End-----------------------------------


Yep, cause democracy never comes with bloodshed, and always happens within 4 years of a Tyrant being disposed of.

When was Bush disposed?

2008 we hope 😛
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: techs
Peter Schoomaker, the Army Chief of Staff was just asked whether we are winning in Iraq.
His answer, "We are not losing".
Scary.

Translation: We aren't losing, but we aren't making much progrees either.

It's an interesting way of (not) answering the question by speaking in a way so as to make the situation not sound negative. People like that can make the shittiest situations sound just fine and dandy.

Kind of reminds me of the Iraqi information minister when he was talking about how Iraq was winning just as U.S tanks were rolling into Bagdad.

The reason he has to sugar coat it is because everyone expected results within a year or two of Sadamm leaving. Most Americans I would venture to say barely know any world history besides what is spoonfed to them.

In all fairness, that expectation developed as a direct result of the Bush administration spending the months leading up to the war telling us how easy and quick things were going to be. Cheap, fast, "shock and awe" war that would end with us being greeted with sweets and flowers as liberators...remember all that? I don't think you can blame the average American for assuming that the people planning the invasion knew what they were talking about. In retrospect, trusting that Bush knew what he was doing was colossally stupid...but that's why they call it retrospect.

That is true, I actually forgot about that as I disregarded it as soon as it was said. I can see now where the average person is shocked that we are still over there.
 
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