thiago FS threads

[gotensan01]

Most recent one

I'm just wondering who's "right" in this case. If thiago should be left alone, can some mods maybe post a message on his next FS thread to not thread crap? Just seems like people are being a bit unfair to the new guy.

 

[Kniteman77]

Guys there is a difference between having justification in calling someone a troll and just crapping all over their thread because they did something that ticked you off.

Lots of people are going to do things piss you off in life. Deal with it. Until then if someone isnt going to post any kind of information as to WHY this guy is a Troll . . . . I dont see anything he's done except to react in kind to a very harsh welcome.

I totally agree with gotensan01 on this one . . . .

 

[Havoc13]

I'm not here to flame or take a side, maybe just shed some light from a different angle.

Who exactly called him a troll?

I must have missed that. All I saw was some information being passed to a newcomer when the newcomer chose to rattle off insults and implied threats.

Oh I see the spark that caused the flame (so to speak) it was when Chunkee informed all his fellow AT'ers that the seller (with no references) was not willing to ship first. That what was kept me from wasting my time pm'ing him, I was appreciative that he did it.

Just a different take on what I read in the thread.

 

[BlindBartimaeus]

He hasn't trolled anyone as far as I know but he is WAY suspicious. Just joins the forum and all he posts in is FS/FT thread...no background but sounds like a seasoned pro...do what you want. I will warn others I like away from him

 

[Kniteman77]

I see a guy with a heatware eval from a member of our forum for an item that same guy sold on OUR forum that the buyer OBVIOUSLY recived and posted positive feedback accordingly.

So assuming that the word of bullsonparade, who has been a forum member for a year and 9 months and has a heatware record spanning 3 years with a 25-0-0 feedback rating, means absolutley NOTHING . . . . here is the rest of my argument.

He has a previous heatware eval from someone with low heatware from a different forum(Not saying much but still positive).

He hasnt dose anything against forum policy.

He has a right to refuse to ship first NO MATTER HOW MUCH heatware he has. (Of my first 5 transactions I shipped first for only one)

Someone posting in is thread "This guy seems fishy stay away from him" or . . . as it was stated "He is unwilling to ship first" I just thought you should all know so you dont bother buying anything from him(implied), in my eyes is more than enough reason for him to get pissed off. Why should he HAVE to ship first to anyone, maybe he didnt want to ship first to that person because it was his most expesnive item, or shipping would have cost him more than he could afford at this point, or any number of other reasons.

I see people with more heatware baslesly accusing a new guy because he wont do as they say. Then he privatley refuses to ship first for whatever his reasons are, and baseless accusations start flying about "I saw what you said in thoes PM's" and no one posts anything conclusive about WHY this guy is 'suspicious' . . . . . I see every reason for him to be pissed off.

I'm not supprized he reacted the way he did. He refuses to ship first to one guy in a PM and all of a sudden 6 people are posting (exaduration)"BEWARE TROLL LIKE BEHAVIOR!!" Signs in his thread . . . .(/exaduration)

 

[Havoc13]

What?

Did you even read bullsonparade heatware comment? He must be one of the bully's you mention cause thiago shipped to him first.

If you just wanted a thread to impose your opinion, be my guest. You stated your opinion and I stated mine. Mine is different than yours, I see things differently than you and no amount of TYPING in all caps will change it.

You quote "calling him a troll" and "going around telling all his friends that he is a bad trader" where on Earth did you see these things? I see them posted nowhere. You took statments and quote them as you interpret them, not as they were written.

I hope you are a troll hunter cause with this much passion for a foul mouthed bigot I would pity any troll you set your sights on.

 

[Kniteman77]

Re-read the two threads and Edited this post to deal with the points you brought up.

Typing in caps is a form of emphasis, such as bolding or highlighting. I could use the dramatic pause underscores methor _but_ typing it in caps is just easier for me right now.

Tagged the last statment to make it sound more like I meant it to sound. Ad a hint of sarcasam and you'll get it right.

I will agree with you that his trading practices are a bit off tilt compared to the norm here(yet not violating any rules), but when something is priced to high we cant say anything because its thread crapping, but when someone who is new is unwilling ship first we can post in his own thread a 'warning' with all its implied negative connotations, in _his_ thread where he is trying to sell stuff, and tell everyone about his 'troll-like' behavior (Yes the posts have degenerated to that, I think that is a point we can agree on) even though he has clearly not violated any forum rules (that I can see at least)

I see no reason why this whole matter could have not been a non-descript private thing. Just a "You know most people will expect you to ship first" PM, and then let it go if you dont want to buy something from him after that.

Thread craping because of prices and thread craping because of this sort of thing are both accomplishing the same thing, ruining the experience for the seller. One is just more 'richeous' and I still see them both as thread crapping.

If I PM'ed a guy and said I thought his price was unfair and then posted something in his thread about prices being too high I'd be nailed for it, whats different here ? Both create bad environments for sellers.

If you can justify the whole thing on some sort of 'pre-emptive strike' on how he might troll someone in the future because of his belligerent behavior in the present, so you're really just protecting all of the 'nubs' or whatever . . . so be it.

At worst he's guilty of over reacting to something.

 

[Kniteman77]

Correct me if I'm wrong about him violating forum rules, but I dont see anything he's done that should get him any kind of harsh welcome like the one he's recived.

 

[thiago]

I wanna clear some things up so anyone can understand, I'm sorry for the rude comments first of all, and second of all I am not a troll nor a bad trader, I just want some of you to understand,

I made a rude reply to chunkee after a long day and I took his reply to my thread the wrong way, I felt that the reply was more of a, don't buy from this guy !!! he doesn't wanna do it my way!!!

As the forums are correct about the rules and regulations, as to someone with low heatware shipping to someone with high heatware, there is both a respective argument to both sides,

Yes I am new here and don't have as many references, and most other people with the higher heat have been here a longer time,

As some people who think paypal is secure and a great way of payment, I do not like it too much, I've encountered many problems with them as well as seen many people scam friends I have, the buyer protection program never seems to work when the other person makes up a story, 1 example is I sold a computer to someone a few years ago, and the person told paypal there kid got a hold of the account and bought this without their consent, they called the bank, they got their money refunded from paypal and I lost my computer..

I am just not too comfortable with shipping first because It's not my fault I am new and have low references, ALTHOUGH YOU ARE CORRECT BY ASKING! I still have my right to say no, and just because I do say no it doesn't mean I'm up to trolling and doing fishy business, I just don't feel good doing it, theres alternatives to it too, and down to the bottom and truth I'd rather sell the item to someone else or not even sell it if it means I have to ship first,

When I ship first i spend 3-4 days waiting for them to get it, I run the risk of not getting a payment(as do they as if they don't get an item:respectable)and then I wait 3-4 to get the payment later I might be more willing to ship first but it's almost the end of the month and I have alot of debts to pay off so I wan't to get rid of my items as soon as possible


Someone emailed me on GMAIL,
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Chuck Farley <snipe@iname.com> to me
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Your a fu***ng loser wanabee... LMAO!


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They are probably from this forum, what can I do the ones who insult me, nothing... but as to my other threads I am sorry for the rude replies, and because I'm appologizing do not believe you are correct, you guys were mean and that's not nice at all to have everyone you know come at me telling me I'm on your DNT and I am a troller and your gonna stop me, that's disrespectful and not nice period... I haven't done anything wrong to anyone, and as to being on a DNT list, that's fine I just don't need anyone to publicly advertise on my threads making the comment look negative and trying to put me down...

:-\ I didn't mean to piss anyone off basically but don't call me a troll that's just a mean insult to someone who wants to stay in the forums:-\

 

[Havoc13]

My last reply to this

Kniteman77,
I never said the crappers were right, I never said thiago was wrong (I did say the foul mouthed bigot comment -and I beg to be proven a liar on that).

The AT'ers that posted may have been cautious or may have been looking out for inexperienced buyers, hard to know without being in their heads. thiago did go over the top several times, threadcrap or not.

He asked for some of the comments he received, by using blanket comments like dumbasses, slapping dumb nerds (which he implied that AT'ers are), idiots, the bigoted comment and threat. I do not believe that two wrongs make a right, but I believe that he folded to his lowest common demoniator in there.

Defending one's person is a right, but when done in a argumentative, rambling, almost violent fashon it is hard to remain righteous.

thiago,
Nice to see that you calmed down. No need to explain or apologize in here. I hope that you haved learned something from this, so all the enegry was not wasted.

Good luck guys & good trading...

 

[Kniteman77]

Havoc,

No offense taken, and I wasnt specifically targeting you or anyone else. Yes I agree Thiago did go over the top on a few instances, but again its something that could have been handeld better by all parties involved. It just seemed to me that everyone was kind of ganging up on the new guy and I guess I saw more where he was coming from, although I dont agree with his response to the situation.

As a trader with relativley little heat though (below 30) it bothers me how easily people who mess up once or twice get pinned with this horrible reputation. Seems like you have to have 100+ heatware to stand in line around here.

Just trying to give a new guy the benifit of the doubt in a situation that to me seemed like it was blown a bit out of proportion. That and I like to play devils advocate from time to time

I tend to babble and go in circles a lot when I write anything of decent length, sorry if it sounded like a Jihad on the forums established ways I realize that part of the reason this is one of the best places to trade online is because people look out for eachother, something I'm very thankful for.

Thiago,

Welcome man, Try to keep things on the calm side as shouting gets you nowhere here. Other than just be honest, respectfull, and prompt with your deals and i'm sure you'll have no problems here at all.

 

[Cha0s]

im about to buy something from "thiago" is he legit? a troll?
some guy quoted him as a troll in here
http://hardforum.com/showthrea...18251&highlight=thiago

here's what he said

Originally Posted by thiago
You know what, it is sad but a troll proves he manipulated and outsmarted you and it just shows YOUR lack of intelligence, in this world you should be able to be smarter and know what your doing... basically it's YOUR fault when you get trolled, and prison? You don't go to prison for manipulating lying ONLINE, it basically is your stupidity and you pay the crime yourself, losing money or hardware...

 

[thiago]

I'm not a troll at all cha0s i'm a nice person, but just some people sort of attacked me for no reason

 

[Cha0s]

its better to be safe then sorry. i just want to verify

 

[Havoc13]

So I fibbed, I'll post again...

What! Below 30 is low Heat! I only have 4 but currently working on 5,6 and 7...

I guess the only thing I have in my favor to avoid being labeled as a n00b is my "Joined" date...

Geez, it's hard to believe that it's been almost 5 years...

 

[Duvie]

I personally would not trade with him on any item above 40 dollars...I have 68 heat and I have earned that...i earned that through shipping first to members with far more heat then I when they requested....I paid my dues so to speak. I adhere to these PERSONAL rules today and have been troll free for 4 years here.

However that being said I would have never thread crapped. If I was interested I would have PM'd him requesting him to ship first since I have 68 and he has 1. He would have refused and I would have walked away. I dont think thread crapping is informing anyone of anything they wouldn't have found out in the first 2 pms to this guy to finalize the deal. It is his prerogative. It may take him forever to get someone here to buy it, but he may be fine with that...

OPne other option I think we at AT desperately need to setup up is an escrow system...using trusted 150+ heatware, diamond to lifers as go between for the buyer and seller. I dont like cross-shipping as it is hard to verify anything. In my escrow method the buyer sends the money to the 3rd party who then verifies to the seller the money is ther and send the item. the item is sent and the 3rd partyu waits for the buyer to PM with the item has arrived, no obvious signs of damage, and the items is not DOA...money is then released.....

I would have offered him an escrow deal if I really wanted the item...If he turned that down I would not trust him at all...however I would still not thread crap. We can not be the mothers and fathers of the naive traders here..they need to do the things as well to protect themselves...

 

[thiago]

Originally posted by: Havoc13
So I fibbed, I'll post again...

What! Below 30 is low Heat! I only have 4 but currently working on 5,6 and 7...

I guess the only thing I have in my favor to avoid being labeled as a n00b is my "Joined" date...

Geez, it's hard to believe that it's been almost 5 years...

"i guess you better start shipping first!" lol jokes I'm on 3 working on 4 5 6 and 7 !

 

[Cha0s]

what do you mean by "the money is released" in escrow

Originally posted by: Duvie
I personally would not trade with him on any item above 40 dollars...I have 68 heat and I have earned that...i earned that through shipping first to members with far more heat then I when they requested....I paid my dues so to speak. I adhere to these PERSONAL rules today and have been troll free for 4 years here.

However that being said I would have never thread crapped. If I was interested I would have PM'd him requesting him to ship first since I have 68 and he has 1. He would have refused and I would have walked away. I dont think thread crapping is informing anyone of anything they wouldn't have found out in the first 2 pms to this guy to finalize the deal. It is his prerogative. It may take him forever to get someone here to buy it, but he may be fine with that...

OPne other option I think we at AT desperately need to setup up is an escrow system...using trusted 150+ heatware, diamond to lifers as go between for the buyer and seller. I dont like cross-shipping as it is hard to verify anything. In my escrow method the buyer sends the money to the 3rd party who then verifies to the seller the money is ther and send the item. the item is sent and the 3rd partyu waits for the buyer to PM with the item has arrived, no obvious signs of damage, and the items is not DOA...money is then released.....

I would have offered him an escrow deal if I really wanted the item...If he turned that down I would not trust him at all...however I would still not thread crap. We can not be the mothers and fathers of the naive traders here..they need to do the things as well to protect themselves...

 

[Duvie]

I mean the person (3rd party) holds the money until the buyer recieves and verifes the item is not DOA. The the 3rd party person forwards the money onto the seller...

Do you not see the advantage to this???

1) If the buyer never receives the package he is not out the money or have to go threw a long protracted attempt of getting his money back....

2) the seller if skiddish about sending first knows that if he does his/her part and gets the package there he will get the money back...I always recommend DC#'s for items above 50 dollars...some may want them for lower...

3)Overall ppl can feel more at ease knowing that a 3rd party (excellent trading member) is helping....


Now I forgot to mention we should pay a slight fee to that helpful person. Well worth it I think...

 

[Cha0s]

thats a great idea, never thought of it

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

When I started out I had to ship first to buyers just to prove i'm not a troll. It's part of joining the ranks so to speak. Yes I didn't feel comfortable doing it but it's something that must be done to prove that you are and want to be an established trader. Fine you don't to ship first, that's your own preference but doing so is limiting your chances to become a respected trader. Furthermore your reaction to people asking you to ship first doesn't help your situation any.

It's pretty much the rule of trading here at AT. Low heat, ship first. I'm sure many of the seasoned traders will agree.

 

[MedicBob]

What Duvie is talking about has been done here a few times that I know of. There are several High Heatware (100+ positive) that might be willing to help out. I thought there used to be a thread about it and who was willing to help, but I can't find it.

Either way online trading is risky no matter what, but so is going to work. You mitigate the risks with smart trading practices, references, and common sense.

 

[olds]

I built what little heat I have by paying and shipping first.

 

[White Widow]

Well, I'm about to do a cross ship with this guy, and I'll let y'all know how it goes. Like everyone else, I paid mydues and shipped first when I had no Heat and I strongly belive that tis that best way to demonstrate your own trustworthiness and commitment to honest trading. Having said that, it is ALWAYS the sellers choice to decide whether or not to ship first, and no one should be publicly chastised for refusing to do so. The penalty you suffer is having a much more difficult time selling your goods.

Anyway,wish me luck and hope I don't get screwed...

 

[rise]

i'm in the process of earning my first heat i followed the thiago thread from the start and i do think what was probably a well intentioned but inappropriate warning in the thread itself as opposed to a PM led to some uncalled for thread crapping. just my opinion. and of course, thiago went way over board.

i would be willing to ship first to certain members and not necessarily based just on their heat eval's. i do like the idea of the escrow account better.

but as mentioned, i see no need for me to ship first regardless of anybody's heat if i'm not comfortable doing so, thats just common sense.