THG ARE LYING PIECES OF !@#$

[Shenkoa]

What THG sezz!
What I uncovered!

Look at this, I am now convinced they are Intel funded. The tests are based on Sandra's Whetstone CPU test. Sandra sezz that THG is full of it in other words. These tests show both AMD and Intel Platform compared when it comes to whetstone performance, look how much higher THG shows them to be.

May have to save the image cause they are too big.

 

[ribbon13]

Pics?

 

[Shenkoa]

Thanks, much better!

 

[n7]

We all know THG is biased.

Nothing new.

Also, who cares about synthetic benches...

 

[Shenkoa]

I do! you know if THG is going to lie about synthetic then they are going to lie about real world benchmarking, I thinks its a conspiracy.

I care about synthetics because a lot of them use other programs to gain a result, rather it would be Office or Mozilla or Divx or WME.

 

[Shimmishim]

wtf?

you posted a pic of a sandra ss... but you don't even say what it's for...

you're just as bad as THG... lol...

 

[Shenkoa]

What is it for, comparing the results Sandra has in its library which is very accurate compared to what THG sezz. The test compared whetsone tests between platforms.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

I'm not sure that's even the same test. Remember, they're using SiSoft Sandra Pro 2004.10.9.89. Also, the THG test pits Intel's DDRII-533 memory against DDR400 for AMD. While that doesn't mean much for FPU tests, it does impact performance somewhat.

Lastly, I'm not convinced SiSoft's "reference" values are accurate.

Show me an Anandtech or Xbit benchmark that contradicts THG.

 

[2kfire]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Show me an Anandtech or Xbit benchmark that contradicts THG.

Agreed... You might not like THG, and maybe some of their staff is biased, but you can't compare their benches to Sisoft's "library"

 

[Gadzookie]

SHAME on THG if this is true ! what happens to users who go buy this data and actually buy expensive componets based on it !

 

[fatty4ksu]

THG is a great site for benchies of EVERY cpu available. I love their reviews.


jmo.

 

[Accord99]

If you download the latest version of Sandra 2005, then the scores on THG match Sandra's library of scores for P4s with SMT.

 

[rgreen83]

Reading their cedar mill preview the other day I didnt think they sounded too biased, they sounded fairly honest IMHO. I think they have gotten much better lately than they used to be.

Today, AMD has the lead in both the single and the dual core desktop segments thanks to processors that not only perform better in most typical benchmarks, but they also require a whole lot less of power to do the job.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051007/index.html

 

[Shenkoa]

Why is their CPU chart based mainly on encoding apps and Intel optimised apps. They really only have synthetic, no real world stuff.

Its a conspiracy I am telling ya! Intel probally pays them to boast their products.

THE TEST IS SANDRA WHETSTONE AND I HAVE THE NEWEST VERSION. Sandra's library is accurate with its readings on my CPU so I trust to be accurate all around.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
I love reading incompetent trash!


jmo.

Fixed.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
What THG sezz!
What I uncovered!

Look at this, I am now convinced they are Intel funded. The tests are based on Sandra's Whetstone CPU test. Sandra sezz that THG is full of it in other words. These tests show both AMD and Intel Platform compared when it comes to whetstone performance, look how much higher THG shows them to be.

May have to save the image cause they are too big.

Ummm...saying THG fudge their numbers is like saying the sun comes up in the morning...QED.
I've caught them many times (as many others have, there were a lot of posts about it a year ago but it got boring). I really don't know of anyone who actually understands how computers work that still reads them anymore...
Mind you, in his heyday, Tom had some good articles (namely while Van was still working there...).

 

[Duvie]

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2005101..._from_dual_core_to_double_core-10.html

Dont worry about it...As said before it is synthetic benches and as seen before they never translate much into real world.....

The sad fact as large as those leads seem to be....they still are not the best....THG isn't doing them any favors in the links above....

His conclusion snipits under the charts are often wacky but the charts tell the story. Also remember never trust just one site. Wait for AT, TechReport and others to shwo their numbers. THG is usually on the one side of the spectrum from the others but they are within the range you can get. Toms is a master manipulator and nows the apps to run, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. When you go look at other reviews and see more mainstream apps you get the real picture.

Look at his FX59 review....Look at gaming results that no one ever gets beside him....Master manipulator. He knows how to run them at resolutions that bottleneck the video card and thus no difference form huge line of cpus...Then go to Techreport and look at same charts of games and get a run away for AMD...You still can get the same conclusion if you can learn to see through his games to skew the results.

Other trick he uses...He finds apps that are not the most optimized for dual core so that way the perceived advantage the X2 has over 840 P-D is minimized. You can tell that cause I know of many apps that dual cores almost double the performance of single core yet his results have the single core not lagging to far behind.....


I for one never read the stuff until ppl in here link it. I had to type in the full site name cause it has been that long since I have been there....

 

[Shenkoa]

Originally posted by: Duvie
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2005101..._from_dual_core_to_double_core-10.html

Dont worry about it...As said before it is synthetic benches and as seen before they never translate much into real world.....

The sad fact as large as those leads seem to be....they still are not the best....THG isn't doing them any favors in the links above....

His conclusion snipits under the charts are often wacky but the charts tell the story. Also remember never trust just one site. Wait for AT, TechReport and others to shwo their numbers. THG is usually on the one side of the spectrum from the others but they are within the range you can get. Toms is a master manipulator and nows the apps to run, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. When you go look at other reviews and see more mainstream apps you get the real picture.

Look at his FX59 review....Look at gaming results that no one ever gets beside him....Master manipulator. He knows how to run them at resolutions that bottleneck the video card and thus no difference form huge line of cpus...Then go to Techreport and look at same charts of games and get a run away for AMD...You still can get the same conclusion if you can learn to see through his games to skew the results.

Other trick he uses...He finds apps that are not the most optimized for dual core so that way the perceived advantage the X2 has over 840 P-D is minimized. You can tell that cause I know of many apps that dual cores almost double the performance of single core yet his results have the single core not lagging to far behind.....


I for one never read the stuff until ppl in here link it. I had to type in the full site name cause it has been that long since I have been there....

Wow very informative read, thanks a lot Duvie.

 

[Zim]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
What THG sezz!
What I uncovered!

Look at this, I am now convinced they are Intel funded.

If anything, THG are biased towards AMD. I just think their testing is less than scientific.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Originally posted by: Duvie
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2005101..._from_dual_core_to_double_core-10.html

Dont worry about it...As said before it is synthetic benches and as seen before they never translate much into real world.....

The sad fact as large as those leads seem to be....they still are not the best....THG isn't doing them any favors in the links above....

His conclusion snipits under the charts are often wacky but the charts tell the story. Also remember never trust just one site. Wait for AT, TechReport and others to shwo their numbers. THG is usually on the one side of the spectrum from the others but they are within the range you can get. Toms is a master manipulator and nows the apps to run, but you have to take that with a grain of salt. When you go look at other reviews and see more mainstream apps you get the real picture.

Look at his FX59 review....Look at gaming results that no one ever gets beside him....Master manipulator. He knows how to run them at resolutions that bottleneck the video card and thus no difference form huge line of cpus...Then go to Techreport and look at same charts of games and get a run away for AMD...You still can get the same conclusion if you can learn to see through his games to skew the results.

Other trick he uses...He finds apps that are not the most optimized for dual core so that way the perceived advantage the X2 has over 840 P-D is minimized. You can tell that cause I know of many apps that dual cores almost double the performance of single core yet his results have the single core not lagging to far behind.....


I for one never read the stuff until ppl in here link it. I had to type in the full site name cause it has been that long since I have been there....

Wow very informative read, thanks a lot Duvie.

BTW is it against forum rules to quote someone without their permission?

Not that I am aware of...If you know who in fact said something then it is nice to make sure youi at least put it in qoutes so we know it is not from you....Courtesy says use their name and give credit where it is do..howvere this is not college writing and you have to footnote everything....

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zim

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
What THG sezz!
What I uncovered!

Look at this, I am now convinced they are Intel funded.

If anything, THG are biased towards AMD. I just think their testing is less than scientific.

OK Whatever!!! :roll:

Look at programs used...look at famous stress test debacle...look at the some of the reviews where they ran the AMD with cas 2.5 settings at DDR400 yet ran tight cas timings for the DDR2...

I think you would have to be a bit whacky to think that....Even when I used INtel I new what side of the fence they leaned and their reviews were always good to show it...

 

[Gamingphreek]

THG has been known to be bought by companies to sway reviews. While Tom himself is very intelligent, he and his staff are also very stupid for participating in that crap.

Stick to X-bit, Anandtech, Guru3d (etc...)

-Kevin

 

[Shenkoa]

People will do anything for $.

As for the question concearning quotes, Avalon has in his sig "I do agree Intel's new CPU's suck. But Intel does not suck. Nor does any of their products. - Shenkoa "

Why that is funny, its in a nutshell and I did not mean to type that. What I meant to say was "I do agree Intel's new CPU's suck. But Intel as a company does not suck, they make a lot of good stuff." its rather insulting actually and I dont want that in his sig the way it is. I PM'd him about it and he has not responded.

 

[Avalon]

I didn't respond because you told me to replace it with your true quote, which you gave to me, which was the exact same one I've got in my quote. It's not my fault you messed up twice.

But, fair enough. Removed.

 

[michal1980]

how is it easier to say 'sezz' instead of says? come on there the same # of letters. its not even being lazy, just stupid.