They have begun to return

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Forsythe
It is the responsibility of each country to absorb the immigrants and make them a part of the working (as in functioning) so society. That people such as these exist, is only proof that many countries have failed at this. Denmark, France, Britain, Germany that i know of. I know sweden is majorly succesfull in absorbing immigrants, even though they haven't passed trough idiotic rules like denmark and england have. They choose the more open welcome, which works, and they have a very high rate of succes with their immigration politics.
This is all facts, i don't see why idiots like Fogh (danish PM) and Blair haven't learned anything from sweden.
Well, atleast the solution is there.

to absorb violent jihadists!?? umm.. no. it is every country's responsiblity to arrest or kill them; NOT harbor them.

Do you really believe that they should all be given a "timeout" for a little R&R until the next time they decide to return and kill innocents and Americans?!

wtf? you're kiding, right? or did you fail to read the article which describes these "immigrants" as "Highly motivated, trained European jihadists"? please tell me it's one or the other...

You are misunderstanding me. The society are creating these, people are created by their surroundings, and if these surroundings were better, these people would not exist.
If the modern western society reacted better towards these (politically) it would easily remove the threat.

Ofcourse these certain people should be captured if they try anything ( they're not criminals unless they do something).
I wouldn't want them killed, just captured.

Well let us say we exposed them to the best the west has to offer then they would go back to their countries and spread the word?

We will show them the openness between sexes, the Western idea of seperation of church and state, the freedom to think and speak without being branded a heretic, or infidel if you were to express your views about religion in a political cartoon and how about we show them that women can choose how to dress without worrying about being harrassed?

Guess what we spawned when we tried that?

The father of radical Islam


Qutb wrote about Greeley in his book, The America I Have Seen. He offered a distorted chronology of American history: "He informed his Arab readers that it began with bloody wars against the Indians, which he claimed were still underway in 1949," Siegel says. "He wrote that before independence, American colonists pushed Latinos south toward Central America -- even though the American colonists themselves had not yet pushed west of the Mississippi... Then came the Revolution, which he called 'a destructive war led by George Washington.'"

When it came to culture, Qutb denounced the primitive jazz music and loud clothing, the obsession with body image and perfection, and the bald sexuality. The American female was naturally a temptress, acting her part in a sexual system Qutb described as "biological":

"The American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs -- and she shows all this and does not hide it."

Even an innocent dance in a church basement is proof of animalistic American sexuality:

"They danced to the tunes of the gramophone, and the dance floor was replete with tapping feet, enticing legs, arms wrapped around waists, lips pressed to lips, and chests pressed to chests. The atmosphere was full of desire..."

To Qutb, women were vixens, and men were sports-obsessed brutes: "This primitiveness can be seen in the spectacle of the fans as they follow a game of football... or watch boxing matches or bloody, monstrous wrestling matches... This spectacle leaves no room for doubt as to the primitiveness of the feelings of those who are enamored with muscular strength and desire it."

Egyptian political scientist Mamoun Fandy tells Siegel that Qutb's critique of America was in many ways a critique of Egyptian society. "Fandy says Qutb was warning Egyptians of the West, of modernity, of things they were very attracted to," Siegel says. As for Qutb's revulsion over American sexuality, Fandy says there is no evidence that Qutb ever had a sexual relationship in his life.

Qutb became a leader of the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood on his return to Egypt. After the overthrow of the monarchy in 1953, he was once considered for a Cabinet post. But he was later accused of plotting against the government and executed in 1966.

"In his prison writings, Qutb equated governments like Egypt's with the pre-Islamic tribes of Arabia. They represented a state of ignorance -- Islam offered liberation," Siegel says. "Among his avid readers were the men who went on to found al Qaeda.

So tell me, what compromise or agreement can you reach with people who think like this and see your very way of life as a threat?

Analysis: The roots of jihad

They blamed the western idea of the separation of religion and politics for the decline of Muslim societies.

 

[daniel49]

The Ugly American [Jack Kinsella]

Commentary on the News
Sunday, September 12, 2004
Jack Kinsella - Omega Letter Editor

It is hard for the average American to grasp the level of hatred most of the world's population feels for the United States. Indeed, it is a conflicting picture; while the world's newspapers condemn America, America's biggest headache is illegal immigration.

It is hard for Americans to grasp the dichotomy inherent in some of these would-be immigrants coming here to explode, rather than exploit, America's famed streets of gold.

Islamic fundamentalists declare America the Great Satan. Europeans rail against American capitalism and American culture. South American activists denounce the United States for "neocolonialism" and oppression.

Anti-Americanism from abroad would not be such a problem if Americans were united in standing up for their own country. But in this country itself, there are those who blame America for most of the evils in the world. On the political left, many fault the United States for a history of slavery, and for continuing inequality and racism.

Leaders from the extreme right say that America is so decadent that it rivals Sodom and Gomorrah.

Let's fact it. If these critics are right, the America deserves to be destroyed. A nation that condones slavery, racism and immorality on a national scale doesn't have much right to live.

But, of course, America DOESN'T condone those things. Fringe groups within America condone those things. But it is the fringe groups that get the most press, because the elite American press believes that it IS America that is evil.

Genuinely evil countries like Iran, North Korea, Syria, the Sudan, etc., are simply reacting to American bullying, they believe. That attitude is reflected by the liberals at the New York Times, the Big Three Networks, etc., etc. But unlike the countries that hate us, America has a free press.

The average Canadian or European knows more about US politics than they do their own, thanks to America's free press, since their own press is censored by their respective governments. And citizens of tyrannies like North Korea or Syria or Iran don't know a THING about their own governments, but they have access to any American press critical of Washington.

And the Democrats, in particular, are responsible for most of the anti-American rhetoric picked up and rebroadcast by the liberal mainstream media.

As Senator Zell Miller (D. Ga) pointed out so accurately in his keynote speech to the GOP Convention;

"But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution. They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy."

In the 1980's CBS broadcast a documentary called, "People Like Us." It was intended to show the miseries of the poor during the brutal recession inherited by the Reagan administration.

The Soviet Union also broadcast the documentary, with a view to embarrassing the Reagan administration.

But according to the subsequent testimony of former Soviet leaders, it had the opposite effect. Ordinary people across the Soviet Union saw that the poorest Americans have TV sets, microwave ovens and cars. A standing joke of the time was, "I want to live in a country where the poor people are fat."

As hated as America is, it is still the destination of choice for millions of immigrants every year. They are generally astonished to find that the America they discovered is not the America that they hear about from the American press.

I noted an observation made by a recent immigrant to the US from Bombay. Writes Dinesh D'Souza, "The ordinary life of production and supporting a family is more highly valued in the United States than in any other country. America is the only country in the world where we call the waiter "sir," as if he were a knight."

D'Souza also made note of an element in the American character that is regularly pilloried by US liberals and forms the basic argument for anti-Americanism -- American arrogance. But D'Souza sees it for what it really is:

"For all his riches, Bill Gates could not approach the typical American and say, "Here's a $100 bill. I'll give it to you if you kiss my feet." Most likely, the person would tell Gates to go to hell! The American view is that the rich guy may have more money, but he isn't in any fundamental sense better than anyone else."

The Ugly America is a myth, but it is a myth of the American Left's own creation, which is what gives the myth such credibility abroad.

When a Syrian student reads in the New York Times that the White House invaded Iraq to steal its oil, why should that student believe America's REAL objective is to bring democracy and freedom?

To someone raised in a totalitarian society, invading to steal makes perfect sense. Invading in order to help does not. What's in it for America?

So, having read in the New York Times that America is stealing Arab oil, why would he believe America when it denies it? By definition, a thief is also a liar.

Especially since the New York Times came right out and told him the President was a liar who concocted an excuse to invade Iraq to steal oil in the first place!
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This is definately opinion, but I think he makes some good points?