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Malak

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At 1:30 is why there is a pole there.

Reminds me of a regular GT race when it was raining. On one corner almost every single driver crashed. There was only a handful of cars left in the race.
 

Sphexi

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How about, it's a regular road and that is probably a regular telephone pole, and these guys just keep crashing into it because these are the worst drivers?
 
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gar3555

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normally, I bet it is just another dirt road in the country...awesome though that they put a rally course, except for that poor farmer that got his corn field destroyed.
 

coxmaster

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How about, it's a regular rode and that is probably a regular telephone pole, and these guys just keep crashing into it because these are the worst drivers?

Yeah, im sure thats it..

You could argue it was poor track design, but being a rally thats sort of the point. Makes things challenging and fun to watch
 

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person who chose the course should pay those damages.

if one or two out of 20, whatever, but if all of them do it, its an obvious problem that they didnt think about
 

coxmaster

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person who chose the course should pay those damages.

if one or two out of 20, whatever, but if all of them do it, its an obvious problem that they didnt think about

The damages to the cars or the pole?

This is racing.. you wreck, you pay. Thats pretty much how it works.
Also, im sure the competitors saw the track BEFORE the event.. its not like the pole was a surprise
 

Malak

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person who chose the course should pay those damages.

if one or two out of 20, whatever, but if all of them do it, its an obvious problem that they didnt think about

The obvious problem is that the drivers took the turn too fast. The pole is NOT the problem. Without the pole they would have all tumbled into the corn field. There is a massive obvious obstacle and a narrow corner, they were all going too fast. Bunch of amateurs.
 

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The obvious problem is that the drivers took the turn too fast. The pole is NOT the problem. Without the pole they would have all tumbled into the corn field. There is a massive obvious obstacle and a narrow corner, they were all going too fast. Bunch of amateurs.


yea, but thats bs in itself.

calling everyone an amateur is a lot easier than admitting you made a mistake in the track.


if everyone is hitting it, its an obvious problem.


like i said, if only a few are hitting i would have said what i did.
 

coxmaster

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yea, but thats bs in itself.

calling everyone an amateur is a lot easier than admitting you made a mistake in the track.


if everyone is hitting it, its an obvious problem.


like i said, if only a few are hitting i would have said what i did.

You seem to have ignored that this section appears to be on a public road (as quite a few rally events are..)

The drivers KNEW THE POLE WAS THERE. SOME of them tried to push it too hard, and they took the consequences. Also, just because the video shows all of those cars hitting the pole doesnt mean they all hit it.. Although I cant seem to find any more details about what/where this event was.

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As best I can figure out, this is the Short Rally Staden 2010, which is part of the FIRC (Flanders International Rally Challenge).

From the results page, it looks like there were about 30 cars registered. So, its probably a safe bet that atleast some of them made it through this portion without hitting the pole.
 
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destrekor

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You seem to have ignored that this section appears to be on a public road (as quite a few rally events are..)

The drivers KNEW THE POLE WAS THERE. SOME of them tried to push it too hard, and they took the consequences. Also, just because the video shows all of those cars hitting the pole doesnt mean they all hit it.. Although I cant seem to find any more details about what/where this event was.

If you only watch crash compilations, you'd end up making a guess that almost every single rally racer crashes during the same race.

At some events, especially particular stages, sometimes that can be quite close to being entirely accurate. And most rally events have a host of amazing drivers and a large number of "amateurs" (could be Pro, just not as good as the top of the crop). Many crash compilations (if it is only showing one turn) end up really only showing the lesser-known people.

And I also have a feeling that was a more "amateur" race. I don't know all that much about how it is done in Europe with the WRC, but in the U.S. there is the National Championship series (a handful of events each year, all the big names try to attend and earn the points for the series), and then a large number of Regional Events, which regional leadership boards (the big names don't attend these, not often at least).
I didn't recognize a single car in that video, though like I said I don't keep serious track of WRC, though I do follow RallyCar (RallyAmerica).

But even the big names crash, and they do that often... sometimes one or two turns in a specific stage can send half the pack careening off the road toward danger or massive damage.

And hell, in Rally, most often at least half the track is a danger zone.
Steep ditches or dikes, nasty drop-offs if not straight cliffs, boulders or other random obstacles around the road.

And every single driver gets to go through the course at legal speed iirc (speed wise I am not 100% sure, but they get to drive it) and make quick notes about turns, appropriate speeds, best side of the road to be on at a certain point, etc. They all are well-aware of every single danger.

Is it possible for 10+ drivers to make the same mistake, and still call it a mistake? Yes, because they knew the situation, and they should have known what they would need to do to not make a mistake (that's on the driver and co-driver to accurately judge the turn the first go around, and then make the correct judgment when faced at speed).

Rally can be super dangerous, and no team will ever make it long on a single car (or at least go for long without extensive repair).
Easily the hardest type of racing out there, even if it's not nearly as fast, on dedicated courses, and coupled with race stands.
Hell, quite often the average speed for a stage is right around 60... favorite type of race.
 
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EarthwormJim

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yea, but thats bs in itself.

calling everyone an amateur is a lot easier than admitting you made a mistake in the track.


if everyone is hitting it, its an obvious problem.


like i said, if only a few are hitting i would have said what i did.

I'm sorry, but it's a tall pole and it is off the track. You can see that pole from very far away, and nothing around the pole was blocking the view of it.

The drivers were going too fast for that section of the road.

Don't you normally get to see the course before you run it in a rally?


Judging from the various, years, drive configuration (RWD, FWD, 4WD) and models of cars, this wasn't really a rally filled with the top top drivers. Probably an open rally where anyone can enter should they want to. I'm not implying all the drivers were amateurs, since they all had nicely built cars (mmm, God's Chariot an E30 M3), but I'm sure a bunch do it mostly for fun not for a career.
 
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skyking

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They probably test drove that stage with a dry track. Add rain and a bunch of traffic and that corner got nasty quick!
 

sdifox

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lol regular road with utility pole is very common in rally.

I do have to wonder about the sanity of people that stand near the corners though.
 
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Speed + Poor Traction + Wrong Corrections = "Hello? Hello? Ohh...I thought we got disconnected again... I'm not sure what's wrong with the phone today."

If you notice, most of the cars that hit the pole went off the track just before as their right front tires dipped into the ditch. They were all coming in too fast and had the wrong angle going into the turn with the pole as a result of it with no traction or enough time/space to fix the problem. I hated to see the porsche hit the pole the most.
 

skyking

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Speed + Poor Traction + Wrong Corrections = "Hello? Hello? Ohh...I thought we got disconnected again... I'm not sure what's wrong with the phone today."

If you notice, most of the cars that hit the pole went off the track just before as their right front tires dipped into the ditch. They were all coming in too fast and had the wrong angle going into the turn with the pole as a result of it with no traction or enough time/space to fix the problem. I hated to see the porsche hit the pole the most.
All of the cars were scooping muddy water out of the near edge and spreading it across the road, making it much worse than just dry pavement as well.
Mud on pavement = fun times:)