'They Came Here to Die'

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...5/10/AR2005051000221.html?nav=hcmodule
JARAMI, Iraq, May 10 -- Screaming "Allahu Akbar'' to the end, the foreign fighters lay on their backs in a narrow crawl space under a house and blasted their machine guns up through the concrete floor with bullets designed to penetrate tanks. They fired at U.S. Marines, driving back wave after wave as the Americans tried to retrieve a fallen comrade.

Through Sunday night and into Monday morning, the foreign fighters battled on, their screaming voices gradually fading to just one. In the end, it took five Marine assaults, grenades, a tank firing bunker-busting artillery rounds, 500-pound bombs unleashed by an F/A-18 attack plane and a point-blank attack by a rocket launcher to quell them.

The Marines got their fallen man, suffering one more dead and at least five wounded in the process. And according to survivors of the battle, the foreign fighters near the Syrian border proved to be everything their reputation had suggested: fierce, determined and lethal to the last.

"They came here to die
," said Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley, commander of the team from the 1st Platoon, Lima Company, of the Marines' 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, that battled the insurgents in the one-story house in Ubaydi, about 15 miles east of the Syrian border.

"They were willing to stay in place and die with no hope," Hurley said Tuesday. "All they wanted was to take us with them.''

The fighting that began Sunday in Ubaydi was an unplanned opening phase of a massive Marine offensive in Iraq's far northwest against the foreign fighters who U.S. and Iraqi commanders say are crossing the Syrian border to join the Iraqi insurgency. By Monday, more than 1,000 Marines backed by Cobra helicopters and Hornet warplanes were pouring into an area north of the Euphrates River where few American troops and no Iraqi forces have been for at least a year.

U.S. commanders say they believe that foreigner leaders of the insurgency have established a refuge north of the Euphrates they use to channel incoming fighters, arms and support to insurgents in the rest of Iraq.

"We're taking down an enemy safe haven," said Lt. Col. Tim Mundy, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Regiment, which along with the 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, did the bulk of the fighting at Ubaydi.

U.S. officers say the most-wanted insurgent leader in Iraq, the Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi, is being sheltered among tribal leaders in Haditha and Hit, two towns 80 and 110 miles downriver. The Americans say Zarqawi was almost caught in February at a checkpoint between the towns. Other sightings since have placed him in other towns on the south side of the Euphrates. In Haqlaniyah, Zarqawi felt bold enough to preach a sermon at a mosque, according to at least one report to U.S. forces.

U.S. and Iraqi officials blame Zarqawi and other foreign fighters for many of the insurgency's bloodiest attacks, including suicide bombings that are claiming dozens of lives almost daily in Iraq.

Fighting continued Tuesday north of the Euphrates, where the Marines' heavy-caliber weapons, mortars and artillery could be heard booming across the green river at dusk.

At least three Marines have been killed in the offensive. Marine Col. Stephen Davis, commander of Marine Regimental Combat Team 2, said he believed at least 75 foreign fighters were killed Sunday, after the offensive opened prematurely with the clash at Ubaydi.



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This is what our troops are facing in Iraq. Were they prepared for this? No. Should they have ever been put into this position? No.

America and the world are not safer with Saddam behind bars. That's just BS rhetoric from the Propagandist-in-chief. Our men are being slaughtered every day and many more are seriously injured each and every day. "Bring it on" has been brought on, that's for sure. And it's showing no signs of letting up as long as we're in Iraq.

Major combat operations are over? Well, I think the last 2 years qualifies as at least that. We're still engaging in air attacks and all but leveled Falluja back in Nov. I wonder what city of hearts and minds we'll win next?
 

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Notice that these are non-Iraqis.

Coming in from Syria. Syria controls their borders and are letting them come through.

The Americans are trying to clean up rats nests areas near Syria.
 

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Quite beating around the Bush and just invade Syria. I have no problem removing that little country from the map. :p

Heck, we should just give it to Israel and let them have some fun.
 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Quite beating around the Bush and just invade Syria. I have no problem removing that little country from the map. :p

Heck, we should just give it to Israel and let them have some fun.
<Bush of Borg> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into a democratic world. Your society will adapt to service ours.</>

 

conjur

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Like I've been saying...Syria = the new Cambodia.

The U.S. could have sealed Iraq's borders right after the invasion but Rumsfeld's War precluded that from being able to occur. Piss-poor planning from day one.
 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Quite beating around the Bush and just invade Syria. I have no problem removing that little country from the map. :p

Heck, we should just give it to Israel and let them have some fun.
<Bush of Borg> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into a democratic world. Your society will adapt to service ours.</>

Thank God!
 

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The U.S. military has given up Operation Matador.

Headlines for May 12, 2005

Iraq Attacks Kill 79, as Resistance Escalates

Now to Iraq. The confirmed death toll from yesterday's large-scale resistance attacks across the country has now risen to 79 people with more than 120 wounded. In the past two weeks, more than 415 people have been killed in such attacks, including 250 Iraqi soldiers, police and recruits. Meanwhile, 14 U.S. soldiers have died in a Marine offensive near the Syrian border. And US officials have now been forced to admit that that operation was not as successful as previously claimed and that the Marines are wrapping up "Operation Matador" with no clear objective achieved. The New York Times said the eruption of violence "has carried the insurgency to levels rarely seen in the 25 months since American troops seized Baghdad." The paper goes on to say it has left the new government of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari looking vulnerable only nine days after it was sworn into office.

Why didn't we hear about this on Fox and CNN???

:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Passions
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Quite beating around the Bush and just invade Syria. I have no problem removing that little country from the map. :p

Heck, we should just give it to Israel and let them have some fun.
<Bush of Borg> Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into a democratic world. Your society will adapt to service ours.</>

Thank God/Bush!
Fixed

 

conjur

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Well...looks like we know what town was next:

IRAQ: People flee al-Qaim as fighting continues
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdes...N/4de4ea413692eb9b4e7225878c779adf.htm
BAGHDAD/ AL-QAIM, 12 May (IRIN) - Families are fleeing the Iraqi town of al-Qaim following the start of an offensive on 2 May by US troops against insurgents linked with wanted terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who is believed to be taking refuge in the city.

Al-Qaim is situated in the western Anbar province bordering Syria 320 km west of the capital, Baghdad.

More than 100 families from the town have moved to A'ana, some 75 km from al-Qaim. An unknown number of families have fled to Rawa and Haditha, some 70 km to the northeast, according to Firdous al-Abadi, a spokeswoman for the Iraqi Red Crescent Society (IRCS). She added that those people are in need of supplies.

"More people are desperately trying to leave the town and according to our information US troops have closed all exit points. Our contacts inside al-Qaim, told us by phone, that there is no power, no telephones and a 24-hour curfew has been imposed," al-Abadi told IRIN in Baghdad on Thursday.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Like I've been saying...Syria = the new Cambodia.

The U.S. could have sealed Iraq's borders right after the invasion but Rumsfeld's War precluded that from being able to occur. Piss-poor planning from day one.

We can't even seal our own borders, what idiot would think we could seal Iraq's???

 

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Too bad about that Marine 1st platoon -'Lima'

More on their fate

Basically after the border battle, when they had lost men, were over-extended, and
run beyond the limits of fatigue - they were hit again, devastated.

<CLIP>

The explosion enveloped the armored vehicle in flames, sending orange balls of fire bubbling above the trees along the Euphrates River near the Syrian border.

Marines in surrounding vehicles threw open their hatches and took off running across the plowed fields, toward the already blackening metal of the destroyed vehicle. Shouting, they pulled to safety those they could, as the flames ignited the bullets, mortar rounds, flares and grenades inside, rocketing them into the sky and across pastures.

Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley emerged from the smoke and turmoil around the vehicle, circling toward the spot where helicopters would later land to pick up casualties. As he passed one group of Marines, he uttered one sentence: "That was the same squad."

Among the four Marines killed and 10 wounded when an explosive device erupted under their Amtrac on Wednesday were the last battle-ready members of a squad that four days earlier had battled foreign fighters holed up in a house in the town of Ubaydi. In that fight, two squad members were killed and five were wounded.

In 96 hours of fighting and ambushes in far western Iraq, the squad had ceased to be.

Every member of the squad -- one of three that make up the 1st Platoon of Lima Company, 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment -- had been killed or wounded, Marines here said. All told, the 1st Platoon -- which Hurley commands -- had sustained 60 percent casualties, demolishing it as a fighting force.

"They used to call it Lucky Lima," said Maj. Steve Lawson, commander of the company. "That turned around and bit us."

Wednesday was the fourth day of fighting in far western Iraq, as the U.S. military continued an assault that has sent more than 1,000 Marines down the ungoverned north bank of the Euphrates River in search of foreign fighters crossing the border from Syria. Of seven Marines killed so far in the operation, six came come from Lima Company's 1st Platoon.

Lima Company drew Marine reservists from across Ohio into the conflict in Iraq. Some were still too young to be bothered much by shaving, or even stubble.

They rode to war on a Marine Amtrac, an armored vehicle that travels on tank-like treads. Marines in Iraq typically crowd thigh to thigh in the Amtrac, with one or two men perched on cardboard boxes of rations. Only the gunners manning the top hatches of Amtracs have any view of the passing scenery. Those inside find out what their field of combat is when the rear ramp comes down and they run out with weapons ready.

Marines typically pass travel time in the Amtrac by extracting favorite bits from ration packets, mercilessly ribbing a usual victim for eating or sleeping too much, or sleeping themselves.

On Monday, when the Marine assault on foreign fighters formally began, the young Marines of the squad from the 1st Platoon were already exhausted. Their encounter at the house in Ubaydi that morning and the previous night had been the unintended first clash of the operation, pitting them against insurgents who fired armor-piercing bullets up through the floor. It took 12 hours and five assaults by the squad -- plus grenades, bombing by an F/A-18 attack plane, tank rounds and rockets at 20 yards -- to kill the insurgents and permit recovery of the dead Marines' bodies.

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Originally posted by: BBond
The U.S. military has given up Operation Matador.

Headlines for May 12, 2005

Iraq Attacks Kill 79, as Resistance Escalates

Now to Iraq. The confirmed death toll from yesterday's large-scale resistance attacks across the country has now risen to 79 people with more than 120 wounded. In the past two weeks, more than 415 people have been killed in such attacks, including 250 Iraqi soldiers, police and recruits. Meanwhile, 14 U.S. soldiers have died in a Marine offensive near the Syrian border. And US officials have now been forced to admit that that operation was not as successful as previously claimed and that the Marines are wrapping up "Operation Matador" with no clear objective achieved. The New York Times said the eruption of violence "has carried the insurgency to levels rarely seen in the 25 months since American troops seized Baghdad." The paper goes on to say it has left the new government of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari looking vulnerable only nine days after it was sworn into office.

Why didn't we hear about this on Fox and CNN???

:roll:


McCaulley Culkin was testifying for Michael Jackson. No time for that other, lesser important, news


 

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: conjur
Like I've been saying...Syria = the new Cambodia.

The U.S. could have sealed Iraq's borders right after the invasion but Rumsfeld's War precluded that from being able to occur. Piss-poor planning from day one.

We can't even seal our own borders, what idiot would think we could seal Iraq's???
Can't or won't?

 

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: conjur
Like I've been saying...Syria = the new Cambodia.

The U.S. could have sealed Iraq's borders right after the invasion but Rumsfeld's War precluded that from being able to occur. Piss-poor planning from day one.

We can't even seal our own borders, what idiot would think we could seal Iraq's???

You're missing the point. George W. Bush apparently thought we could control Iraq with only 150,000 troops. Go figure.

Now who is the real idiot?


 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Like I've been saying...Syria = the new Cambodia.

The U.S. could have sealed Iraq's borders right after the invasion but Rumsfeld's War precluded that from being able to occur. Piss-poor planning from day one.

Syria said their borders were sealed. No fighters were coming across.

You mean they lied!!

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: conjur
Like I've been saying...Syria = the new Cambodia.

The U.S. could have sealed Iraq's borders right after the invasion but Rumsfeld's War precluded that from being able to occur. Piss-poor planning from day one.

We can't even seal our own borders, what idiot would think we could seal Iraq's???

You're missing the point. George W. Bush apparently thought we could control Iraq with only 150,000 troops. Go figure.

Now who is the real idiot?

Miscalculation on the fanatics that existed and want to destroy their own country. And now they are importing cannon fodder. What is their religion teaching/brainwashing them

 

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How effective is ANY country at sealing it's borders ?

US can't do it from California all the way through Texas, and Florida can't heep the riff-raff out from Cuba, Hatai, and Georgia.

In 'Nam, with more than 4 times the amount of troops that we presently have in Iraq, we could't seal out Laos or Cambodia -
even with squads going in and fighting there . . . bombing too.

Iraq has Turkey, Iran, Syria, Kuwait, & Saudi Arabia - how are our troops supposed to
seal them, as that's the only ones who could participate.

We know that those on the 'Other Side' can't - we've made it a point to not help them accomplish that.

Seems like anyone - reguardless of who they are, or what they are doing, are quickly labled as 'Insurgents'
just to place them in a status that delegates them to 'Enemy'.
It doesn't matter if they are little kids, old men, women, or even real enemy combatants,
Broad brush painting - one size fits all.
No sympathy for 'Insurgents' -gives a cover for civilian casualties - what's that term ?
'Collateral Damage'
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Miscalculation on the fanatics that existed and want to destroy their own country.
Miscalculation by whom? The administration was told they needed more troops than that.
"The idea that it would take several hundred thousand U.S. forces I think is far off the mark," Mr. Rumsfeld said. General Shinseki gave his estimate in response to a question at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on Tuesday: "I would say that what's been mobilized to this point ? something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers ? are probably, you know, a figure that would be required." He also said that the regional commander, Gen. Tommy R. Franks, would determine the precise figure.

A spokesman for General Shinseki, Col. Joe Curtin, said today that the general stood by his estimate. "He was asked a question and he responded with his best military judgment," Colonel Curtin said. General Shinseki is a former commander of the peacekeeping operation in Bosnia.

In his testimony, Mr. Wolfowitz ticked off several reasons why he believed a much smaller coalition peacekeeping force than General Shinseki envisioned would be sufficient to police and rebuild postwar Iraq. He said there was no history of ethnic strife in Iraq, as there was in Bosnia or Kosovo. He said Iraqi civilians would welcome an American-led liberation force that "stayed as long as necessary but left as soon as possible," but would oppose a long-term occupation force. And he said that nations that oppose war with Iraq would likely sign up to help rebuild it. "I would expect that even countries like France will have a strong interest in assisting Iraq in reconstruction," Mr. Wolfowitz said. He added that many Iraqi expatriates would likely return home to help.
Yeah, they came home to help alright, help kill our people.

 

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Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...5/10/AR2005051000221.html?nav=hcmodule
JARAMI, Iraq, May 10 -- Screaming "Allahu Akbar'' to the end, the foreign fighters lay on their backs in a narrow crawl space under a house and blasted their machine guns up through the concrete floor with bullets designed to penetrate tanks. They fired at U.S. Marines, driving back wave after wave as the Americans tried to retrieve a fallen comrade.

Through Sunday night and into Monday morning, the foreign fighters battled on, their screaming voices gradually fading to just one. In the end, it took five Marine assaults, grenades, a tank firing bunker-busting artillery rounds, 500-pound bombs unleashed by an F/A-18 attack plane and a point-blank attack by a rocket launcher to quell them.

The Marines got their fallen man, suffering one more dead and at least five wounded in the process. And according to survivors of the battle, the foreign fighters near the Syrian border proved to be everything their reputation had suggested: fierce, determined and lethal to the last.

"They came here to die
," said Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley, commander of the team from the 1st Platoon, Lima Company, of the Marines' 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, that battled the insurgents in the one-story house in Ubaydi, about 15 miles east of the Syrian border.

"They were willing to stay in place and die with no hope," Hurley said Tuesday. "All they wanted was to take us with them.''

The fighting that began Sunday in Ubaydi was an unplanned opening phase of a massive Marine offensive in Iraq's far northwest against the foreign fighters who U.S. and Iraqi commanders say are crossing the Syrian border to join the Iraqi insurgency. By Monday, more than 1,000 Marines backed by Cobra helicopters and Hornet warplanes were pouring into an area north of the Euphrates River where few American troops and no Iraqi forces have been for at least a year.

U.S. commanders say they believe that foreigner leaders of the insurgency have established a refuge north of the Euphrates they use to channel incoming fighters, arms and support to insurgents in the rest of Iraq.

"We're taking down an enemy safe haven," said Lt. Col. Tim Mundy, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Regiment, which along with the 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, did the bulk of the fighting at Ubaydi.

U.S. officers say the most-wanted insurgent leader in Iraq, the Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi, is being sheltered among tribal leaders in Haditha and Hit, two towns 80 and 110 miles downriver. The Americans say Zarqawi was almost caught in February at a checkpoint between the towns. Other sightings since have placed him in other towns on the south side of the Euphrates. In Haqlaniyah, Zarqawi felt bold enough to preach a sermon at a mosque, according to at least one report to U.S. forces.

U.S. and Iraqi officials blame Zarqawi and other foreign fighters for many of the insurgency's bloodiest attacks, including suicide bombings that are claiming dozens of lives almost daily in Iraq.

Fighting continued Tuesday north of the Euphrates, where the Marines' heavy-caliber weapons, mortars and artillery could be heard booming across the green river at dusk.

At least three Marines have been killed in the offensive. Marine Col. Stephen Davis, commander of Marine Regimental Combat Team 2, said he believed at least 75 foreign fighters were killed Sunday, after the offensive opened prematurely with the clash at Ubaydi.



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This is what our troops are facing in Iraq. Were they prepared for this? No. Should they have ever been put into this position? No.

America and the world are not safer with Saddam behind bars. That's just BS rhetoric from the Propagandist-in-chief. Our men are being slaughtered every day and many more are seriously injured each and every day. "Bring it on" has been brought on, that's for sure. And it's showing no signs of letting up as long as we're in Iraq.

Major combat operations are over? Well, I think the last 2 years qualifies as at least that. We're still engaging in air attacks and all but leveled Falluja back in Nov. I wonder what city of hearts and minds we'll win next?


Think our marines were prepared for the suicidal Japanese in the pacific? Evenworse was the japanese were highly organized and better equipped.

But does that mean we should have turned tails and ran because some nutjob is ready to die?
 

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Please just stop trying in any way to compare Bush's barbaric unprovoked attack on Iraq with WWII.

:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Think our marines were prepared for the suicidal Japanese in the pacific? Evenworse was the japanese were highly organized and better equipped.

But does that mean we should have turned tails and ran because some nutjob is ready to die?
I agree, doesn't even take a nutjob to go kamakazi though, just someone sufficently indoctrinated into a philosophy that makes it seem honorable or a duty. And we should by all means help accelerate the process of carrying out their death wish. I just fervently hopw we start concentrating our resources where they are most needed, and stop spreading ourselves so thin.

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Please just stop trying in any way to compare Bush's barbaric unprovoked attack on Iraq with WWII.

:roll:

There are a lot of similarities to the two struggles, especially in the pacific.

Just because WWII makes your ideal crumble under their own weight doesnt mean it isnt a valid topic to bring up when debating the two situations.

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Please just stop trying in any way to compare Bush's barbaric unprovoked attack on Iraq with WWII.

:roll:
IMHO he has a point in respect to the "fight to the death" mentality at play. By no means do I believe we should be in iraq, or believe it is anything so noble as the war my father fought in, but we have fought enemies this determined before and there are lessons in that.

 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: conjur
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...5/10/AR2005051000221.html?nav=hcmodule
JARAMI, Iraq, May 10 -- Screaming "Allahu Akbar'' to the end, the foreign fighters lay on their backs in a narrow crawl space under a house and blasted their machine guns up through the concrete floor with bullets designed to penetrate tanks. They fired at U.S. Marines, driving back wave after wave as the Americans tried to retrieve a fallen comrade.

Through Sunday night and into Monday morning, the foreign fighters battled on, their screaming voices gradually fading to just one. In the end, it took five Marine assaults, grenades, a tank firing bunker-busting artillery rounds, 500-pound bombs unleashed by an F/A-18 attack plane and a point-blank attack by a rocket launcher to quell them.

The Marines got their fallen man, suffering one more dead and at least five wounded in the process. And according to survivors of the battle, the foreign fighters near the Syrian border proved to be everything their reputation had suggested: fierce, determined and lethal to the last.

"They came here to die
," said Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley, commander of the team from the 1st Platoon, Lima Company, of the Marines' 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, that battled the insurgents in the one-story house in Ubaydi, about 15 miles east of the Syrian border.

"They were willing to stay in place and die with no hope," Hurley said Tuesday. "All they wanted was to take us with them.''

The fighting that began Sunday in Ubaydi was an unplanned opening phase of a massive Marine offensive in Iraq's far northwest against the foreign fighters who U.S. and Iraqi commanders say are crossing the Syrian border to join the Iraqi insurgency. By Monday, more than 1,000 Marines backed by Cobra helicopters and Hornet warplanes were pouring into an area north of the Euphrates River where few American troops and no Iraqi forces have been for at least a year.

U.S. commanders say they believe that foreigner leaders of the insurgency have established a refuge north of the Euphrates they use to channel incoming fighters, arms and support to insurgents in the rest of Iraq.

"We're taking down an enemy safe haven," said Lt. Col. Tim Mundy, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Regiment, which along with the 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, did the bulk of the fighting at Ubaydi.

U.S. officers say the most-wanted insurgent leader in Iraq, the Jordanian Abu Musab Zarqawi, is being sheltered among tribal leaders in Haditha and Hit, two towns 80 and 110 miles downriver. The Americans say Zarqawi was almost caught in February at a checkpoint between the towns. Other sightings since have placed him in other towns on the south side of the Euphrates. In Haqlaniyah, Zarqawi felt bold enough to preach a sermon at a mosque, according to at least one report to U.S. forces.

U.S. and Iraqi officials blame Zarqawi and other foreign fighters for many of the insurgency's bloodiest attacks, including suicide bombings that are claiming dozens of lives almost daily in Iraq.

Fighting continued Tuesday north of the Euphrates, where the Marines' heavy-caliber weapons, mortars and artillery could be heard booming across the green river at dusk.

At least three Marines have been killed in the offensive. Marine Col. Stephen Davis, commander of Marine Regimental Combat Team 2, said he believed at least 75 foreign fighters were killed Sunday, after the offensive opened prematurely with the clash at Ubaydi.



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This is what our troops are facing in Iraq. Were they prepared for this? No. Should they have ever been put into this position? No.

America and the world are not safer with Saddam behind bars. That's just BS rhetoric from the Propagandist-in-chief. Our men are being slaughtered every day and many more are seriously injured each and every day. "Bring it on" has been brought on, that's for sure. And it's showing no signs of letting up as long as we're in Iraq.

Major combat operations are over? Well, I think the last 2 years qualifies as at least that. We're still engaging in air attacks and all but leveled Falluja back in Nov. I wonder what city of hearts and minds we'll win next?
Think our marines were prepared for the suicidal Japanese in the pacific? Evenworse was the japanese were highly organized and better equipped.

But does that mean we should have turned tails and ran because some nutjob is ready to die?
Ah, so, you believe the new Pearl Harbor (9/11) was orchestrated by Iraq? Your analogy is completely without merit.