A lot more modern women need it then. Hell, make one for men too.
Look at these obese fuckers out in public, Do they freebase gravy?
A lot more modern women need it then. Hell, make one for men too.
Look at these obese fuckers out in public, Do they freebase gravy?
Phoenix86
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IronWing
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A person wearing a corset can't get much food down without vomiting because there just isn't any room, so yes it may have helped her lose weight.You think so......
Apparently it helped her loose weight.
Exactly. Especially urban poverty, in large part because the enclosure movement had not that long ago before (from a historical perspective) driven so many people to the cities. That was a major reason why people of these bloggers' apparent socio-economic background (judging from their publicized lifestyle) had so little trouble hiring and mistreating the poorly paid servants I referred to...
I didn't mean to imply that (comparatively prosperous) middle-class households had scads of servants, but they typically had at least one (ie, "maids of all work") ... The number of large "establishments" (as large households were generally referred to) with full coteries of liveried servants, on the other hand, was quite small. I don't suggest that middle-class women didn't work at home, but any that could afford to didn't do the real drudge work and, and in an era when the notion of "modern labor-saving devices" wasn't even even a gleam in inventors' eyes, cooking (and its related tasks) was definitely part of the plethora of drudge work.
While I can't cite references for you, it's my understanding that this is actually a modern misconception. Apparently (to my surprise as well) the majority of slaves were servants in more urban households, not agricultural workers.
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Yes, it's true that I'm "criticizing" them, but not in the sense they refer to -- for failing to conform to the norms of the society they live in, etc., etc. (though frankly, in the sense they mean, I'm not sure our society really has that many "norms" these days to begin with.) I'm "critiquing" [sic] them from their own perspective and their stated, purported "goal" in living the lifestyle they do.
If they lived next door to me, I'd be friendly with them if they're nice people and I wouldn't treat them any differently than I treat anyone else, I'd just privately think they were complete idiots (albeit harmless enough) ...
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Alrighty then, good for her.
I'm aware of where corsets are worn (though not of course from personal experience, God forbid.
) She didn't mention them in the blog post linked in the OP, though, and frankly, I didn't give enough of a damn to bother clicking on any of her links, much less Googling her...
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Most of them weren't "miracle cures" and many were based on the state of scientific understanding at the time. Which admittedly wasn't great. But the Victorian Era, long that it lasted, did give us quite a few extremely useful medical discoveries and innovations. As for example, among many others, the germ theory (and the subsequent concept of "disinfection") and surgical anesthetics...
I do sometimes think it's a pity that the opiates were all legally classified as "dangerous narcotics," but that was much more a political decision than a medical one...
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Sheik Yerbouti
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Yup, those folks in Whitechapel were living high on the hog
Search on 1888 tenement; it's delightful.
Sheik Yerbouti
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LOL. Yea, there were some pretty horrifying living areas.
<insert Jefferson's theme song here "Well we're movin on up, to the east side. / To a deluxe apartment in the sky">
If I were going to "criticize" them (in the conversational sense of that word), as nakefrog suggested I was doing in my earlier post, that would certainly be what I'd criticize them for...:whiste:
On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy for them not to get cholera, typhus, etc., though I wouldn't mind a bit if they didn't contribute to the miasma of silliness clogging up the Interwebs (though of course I fully recognize that many people would say the same about my posts, not to mention ATOT as a whole.
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nakedfrog
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Price is a big factor. The clothes the guy in the article sports are well north of a $1k per outfit. This isn't out of line with what a fashionable gent of 1888 would have spent but it is quite a bit of cash. The woman makes her own and from the look of the fabrics she's dropping $100-150/dress. My wife makes most of her own clothes and good fabrics, trim, buttons, etc. ain't cheap.
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He just said the hats
You can buy a wool hat like that for under $200 that's decent.
I'd say she's doing well if she's making those dresses with $150 in fabric... I usually do one big costume per year, and I think I was probably in for $400-500 total, not including labor this year.
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It certainly does look that way. And Patrick Stewart appears to have just told her he's the one who offed Ned Stark.
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