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ThermalTake Has Done It (Something) . . . Again

BonzaiDuck

BonzaiDuck

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Anyone seen or heard of this? I'd be interested in reviews and stats on Thermal Resistance, which ThermalTake does not provide. (Whether or not they provide it doesn't mean the thermal resistance won't be as low as the XP120 value).

Big Typhoon

I keep imagining some bald-headed guy at the Taiwan factory bearing resemblance to Dr. Yen-Lo in "Manchurian Candidate", who goes around showing people how to make Origami birds from stick-up paper, offering little prizes to the design team for coming up with another new addition to the ThermalTake cooler line of products -- which is beginning to resemble the airplane graveyard of the USAF in Arizona. :laugh:
 
Actually, the simple physics of fans is pretty consistent. You're going to get low decibels around that level if you only run the fan at 1,300 rpm. But I don't care about the %&*## fan -- I'm interested in the thermal resistance and any published reviews of the cooler. I think they're advertising this thing on the TT web-site with at least two -- albeit exclusively "ThermalTake" -- fan alternatives.
 
No 120mm fan moving at 1300RPM is going to attain ratings as low as 16dBA, it's impossible.

The heatsink itself dose look interesting and seems well designed.
 
Operandi -- I can't prove it through scientific testing and a rigorously controlled test environment at the moment, but I do indeed think it is possible, and what's more -- rather likely.

Here are the manufacturer's specs for a Silenx 120x25mm fan:

Manufacturer Specifications:

Fan Dimensions: 120 x 120 x 25mm
Fan Input: 12V/1.2W
Fan Speed: 1600 RPM
Air Flow: 58 CFM
Noise Level: 14 dBA
Four Pin Connector
No RPM Monitoring

Here, the rpm's are higher, guaranteeing more noise, and the decibels are lower.

Personally, I don't buy Silenx fans because they compromise throughput for noise-mitigation. However, since many of these fans are frequently subjected to review tests under rigorously controlled circumstances to guarantee accuracy of measurement, it is more likely that a fan manufacturer will not fudge his specs too much, and less likely that he will, because it is too easy to determine the accuracy of the specs and publish the findings.

That does not mean that some manufacturers don't fudge their specs -- I have said here more than once that YS-Tech has fudged theirs; I have suggested that Enermax has also done the same thing, because I tested two of the same model fan from different reseller sources on three different machines using two different means of measuring RPM.

But you can't say that it isn't possible that a 120mm fan can yield 16 dBA at 1,600 rpm, or what's more -- that it isn't "likely" in the probabilistic sense.

Again, however, your closing remark is more appropriate to the issue behind my original post, even if only speculation: "How effective is the cooler, or what is its thermal resistance?"

I've done a web-search using my default search engines and I can't find any reviews on this item. Somebody else may find something. I remember last year that we discovered the appearance of the TT "Fanless 103" -- there were no reviews anywhere until about three weeks or so later. Not that the "FAnless 103" is either good or bad, either. But that's another matter, probably superceded by whatever TT hopes to gain with the "Big Typhoon".
 
I snicker and laugh at their marketing ploys. Gaudy colors, the names etc.

Their web-site once posted an entry for one of their newer CPU coolers -- that thing with the horn-shaped clear-plastic CPU fan intake.

It read "Higher rpm and CFM for more air pleasure."

Since I taught Chinese grad students for ten years, I understand the peculiarities that can creep into their tech-writing. The advertisement meant to say " . . . for more air PRESSURE."

But . . . barring my snickers at the hype -- I use their fans as it suits the occasion. No way I'm going to replace my Blue LED exhaust fans, even if I had to lubricate them to nix the motor-whine at top-end.

A friend has decided on a ThermalTake BigWater kit. He usually reads reviews like a squirrel collects nuts. I have no judgment about that particular product and model, whatsoever at this point. I'll wait for him to report.

Their heatsinks work as one might hope. I've used the PIPE101 heatpipe cooler with a 120mm fan adapter for its 92mm fittings. Heatpipes are low-tech, and it would be hard for TT to screw up even if the general group-think sentiment running through the geek community were completely true.

They should probably take their marketing approach from a company like Silverstone, and hire someone like me to do the tech-writing.
 
Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck

Fan Dimensions: 120 x 120 x 25mm
Fan Input: 12V/1.2W
Fan Speed: 1600 RPM
Air Flow: 58 CFM
Noise Level: 14 dBA
Four Pin Connector
No RPM Monitoring
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But that's a fan in free air not mounted to a heatsink, not that it mattes because SilentX is full of crap too.

The quietest 120mm fan I know of is Nexus/Yate Loon running @ 1000. It comes in at 23 dBA which is several times louder then 16, it's very difficult to measure below 20 BTW. TT isn't the only company to excaudate their claims but they are by far the worst, their listed specs are basically meaningless lies.
 
Operandi --

I thought that might be the case, about measuring dBA in that low range.

I cannot tell precisely how TT's noise-level claims vary from user-experience. I can only say that their RPM numbers and CFM are generally in line with their claims. I can MEASURE the RPMs two different ways, and I can compare the CFMs through cooling performance with other fans on the same test rig. that is, if you take two fans with the same RPM and CFM top-ends, they should give you the same idle and load temperatures. You can measure the RPMs if they have tach monitoring. If my SUNON has 108 CFM as claimed, and a YS-TECH is supposed to have 125 CFM, I should see the YS-Tech doing better with the temps. But the SUNON has better temps, and if the YS-Tech won't top-end at its advertised RPM . . . . well . . . you know its not producing those CFMs, and you know its not living up to its spec.
 
Well cooling performance comes from both the CFM rating and the static pressure of the fan. The Y.S. Tech could have a lower static pressure so it may not perform as good as the Sunon in certain conditions.
 
Originally posted by: Operandi
Well cooling performance comes from both the CFM rating and the static pressure of the fan. The Y.S. Tech could have a lower static pressure so it may not perform as good as the Sunon in certain conditions.
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This is correct.

As to TT fans db claims. I just pulled 2 supposed 21db Tt fans.
A 1350 rpm Yate Loon is almost inaudible rated at 28db. The Tt makes very audible bearing noise even undervolted.
 
Has Anand or any of his staff ever done a "fan shootout," like they've done with PSUs and other components in the past? I for one think that would make an excellent test & accompanying article. There are a LOT of people (myself included) that would love to see a truly objective, unbiased & evenly executed battery of tests on the most popular fans: Panaflo, Papst, Yate Loon, Vantec Stealth, PCP&C Silencer, Themaltacky, SilenX, etc., in real world applications. I know there are reviews out there on individual fans, but the cooling world is crying out for a comprehensive fan shootout!

Well, I think that was crying I heard.

Good idea? Dumb idea? 😀
 
Everytime I see a thermaltake product, I can't help but laugh.

I know they are trying hard, but that thing just looks so.... thermaltake.

I can't like it, I am sorry everyone.

It just looks too ridiculous!
 
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