Thermalright TRUE Black or OCZ Vendetta 2 ?

[vegettoxp]

Hello there Guys, I was just about to place my order for the Thermalright True Black Edition, but after reading around, the OCZ Vendetta 2 looks to be a pretty good cooler too.

I am trying to push my QX9770 Close to 4GHz or Near on Air Cooling.

So the question is, Which one do I go with: Thermalright TRUE Black or OCZ Vendetta 2?

Your Thoughst?

 

[Chronoshock]

Well I would probably not bother with the black edition since I don't think there is really much of a difference between that and the normal edition, but if you're in it for aesthetics, go for it.
You should be able to hit 4GHz with either, but for the best air cooling, I don't think you can beat a lapped TRUE with two fans in push/pull (and short of an even more jury-rigged setup than a TRUE with two fans, you'll have problems mounting a second fan to the OCZ) . It'll end up costing you like 2-3x the OCZ V2, so ask yourself how much you want to spend.

Some reviews directly comparing the TRUE with the OCZ V2 and some other HDT coolers.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/in...k=view&id=156&Itemid=1
http://benchmarkreviews.com/in...k=view&id=163&Itemid=1

 

[Krynj]

I own a Vendetta 2, and right now at 3GHz/1.28v, my Q6600's 4 cores are idling under 30c. 25/28/24/25. The Vendetta 2 lacks the push/pull setup, but, depending on case setup, you might not need it. The 2 120mm exhaust fans on my case are close enough to the back of the heatsink, where they probably pull a lot of heat as well. And it's silent. Changing it from low to high speed yields no change in noise level (or lack there of).

 

[vegettoxp]

The reason I am looking at the Vendetta 2 is because of the price. Its really cheaper compared to the Thermalright Ultra. I will also need to get Fans for the Thermalright, so that's another 15-20 bucks.

I just did a quick price check on the Vendetta 2 and Newegg has it for $34.99 Plus. That's a really good price and if the Vendetta 2 can keeps my QX9770 Low on Temp either at 4GHz or Lower, then I will buy it. Also, can you guys recommend me a Fan for the Vendetta 2?

If both Thermalright and Vendetta 2 are good, then I will have to lean towards the Vendetta 2 because of the price.

Your Thoughts?

 

[BassBomb]

LOL @ 4ghz on quad on air

 

[Krynj]

The stock fan works very well. It's quiet, and as I've said, and you saw in benchmarks, it keeps CPUs very cool. In those reviews listed above, the gains from a higher output fan didn't even seem like they'd be worth spending the extra cash on a fan.

 

[RallyMaster]

Originally posted by: BassBomb
LOL @ 4ghz on quad on air

I find it to be somewhat comical as well. I know it's possible with water but...AIR??

 

[faxon]

i have a vendetta 2 cooling my overclocked athlon 4000+ (90nm) at 1.45v and OC to 2.7ghz while using the stock fan (it was quiet and did the job just fine). idle it runs at around 26c average but it has gone as low as 23 when i use it the most (later at night), and i keep the door and windows open for cool airflow into the room to offset my gear turning it into a furnace.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I need to spend more time reading reviews. Too much of a hurry, and one makes mistakes.

I can vouch for the TRUE. The Ultima 90 comes in a close second, and I can also vouch for it. Supposedly, the OCZ Vendetta 2 matches the TRUE closely in performance. I may have a BIOS issue regarding a CPU temperature sensor, and there's even a chance that airflow isn't sufficient (with a puller fan.) Otherwise, this has been a bad experience with the OCZ so far.

I decided to try the Noctua NH-U12P. Look at the March Anandtech comparison review. It will squeeze 4C degrees of improvement over the TRUE, I think. That's what I remember from browsing the performance graphs.

Bad or difficult mounting hardware can be a real problem, and I think that an under-the-motherboard bracket actually stabilizes the cooler. For the TR brackets, I think that it is even possible to install without removing the motherboard -- not quite the tedium of building a ship in a bottle -- if the mobo standoffs are 3/8" to 1/2" instead of 1/4".

Motherboard removal might be easier . . . .

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: RallyMaster

Originally posted by: BassBomb
LOL @ 4ghz on quad on air

I find it to be somewhat comical as well. I know it's possible with water but...AIR??

I think it's slightly optomistic.

OP, I put a 38mm on my TRUE.

If you want some air moving thru those fins, and for what you're shooting for you're gonna need all you can get, I vote 38mm.

 

[aigomorla]

Freya:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...73/aigomorla/2hour.jpg

+

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1123.jpg

= 4ghz Quad on air.


Anything else?


Your gonna need that combo. Horrizontal mount + Lapped IFX-14.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

You should be able to use the IFX-14 in a tower-case setup if you can mount fan(s) on the chassis. With some sort of double-fan setup with no fans mounted on the cooler and some sort of ducting to channel the air pressure through the cooler, there wouldn't be any additional weight and torque hanging off the cooler.

 

[vegettoxp]

Hello there guys, I didn?t wanted to start another thread about my question, so here it is. I am gona go with Thermalright TRUE Black and with two fans to keeps it cool. I know a lot of you guys told me to get the older version and I have that version. But I have a problem with that version. The problem is that when I installed the heatsink with fan, the heatsink wasn?t really tight. I use the clamp and I screwed all the screws, but still the heatsink was moving around on the processor. I didn?t feel safe. So if someone had this problem, please tell me what I am doing wrong.

And also can you guys recommend me good fans for my Thermalright TRUE Black. And Should I go with One or Two Fans? Also noise is no problem with me. As long as my Processor is cooled off really Good!

Also Your Thoughts on Thermalright IFX-14 Heatsink? Who's Better TRUE Black or IFX-14?

Your Thoughts?

 

[scruffypup]

The various reviews I have seen show the IFX-14 slightly better (you can even use up to 3 fans on this, though using all 3 doesn't really improve anything over 2). The Thermalright True, Vendetta 2 and xigmatek S1283 are all within margin of error really (or case and components in the review) and 1-2 degrees at most,... the best bang for the buck is the Xigmatek S1283.

The IFX-14 will have the biggest issues if you have a tight case.

http://www.madshrimps.be/?acti...tpage=3615&articID=857
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article818-page5.html
http://icrontic.com/articles/true120_black/page4
http://benchmarkreviews.com/in...1&limit=1&limitstart=3

Those are some to look at,... I actually lost my links to some of the ones I use (other than madshrimps and silentpcreview).

The Vendetta2 gets a lot of love here, but is a knockoff of the Xigmatek S1283 (which can often be found for $37 free shipping and sometimes a $10 rebate,... includes a decent fan. The TRUE and IFX-14 will be much higher and you have to buy a fan in addition (unless you run passively,.. then I suggest the HR-01 Plus)

 

[BonzaiDuck]

See the thread I'm about to post: "E8400, new BIOS and 680i board, and NOCTUA-NH-U12P cooler baseline"

 

[Old Hippie]

But I have a problem with that version. The problem is that when I installed the heatsink with fan, the heatsink wasn?t really tight. I use the clamp and I screwed all the screws, but still the heatsink was moving around on the processor.

Have you done the washer/penny mod?

Most of us have done this mod because of the same problems.

Check it out here.

 

[vegettoxp]

Thx for the mod link. That might just solve my loose problem and if I go with thermalright, I am gona try out this mod!

 

[aigomorla]

no penny/washer mod will yield greater results then you sitting down with some sand paper and lapping that base on the true.

Lapped TRUE > Vendetta on all quads. Hands down no competition expecially on quads with higher heat loads. (high overclocking)

IFX-14 shoulld only be used on a flat bed, which means your board is kept horrizontal due to torque.


Ask for advice on the fans as welll, not all fans are the same, and some completely outperform others.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

If the TRUE is just twisting on the processor, it doesn't mean that it is "loose." Some coolers like the OCZ Vend 2 and Noctua NH-U12P have brackets that are fixed rigidly to the HS base with screws. The TRUE has a bracket with a dimple that fits in a depression in the HS-base center. But the screws and springs, even with lapping, hold the TRUE firmly to the base even if can be twisted this way and that.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: vegettoxp
Hello there Guys, I was just about to place my order for the Thermalright True Black Edition, but after reading around, the OCZ Vendetta 2 looks to be a pretty good cooler too.

I am trying to push my QX9770 Close to 4GHz or Near on Air Cooling.

So the question is, Which one do I go with: Thermalright TRUE Black or OCZ Vendetta 2?

Your Thoughst?

TRUE for sure. The Vendetta has nowhere near the thermal capacity of a TRUE. Where the TRUE shows its TRUE colors (hehe) is when you start to raise vcore and speed in unison. The spread between it and the lesser coolers becomes readily apparent. This is something that none of the tests reveal since their maximum TDP or input is far lower. That said a Yorkfield at 4GHz is highly dependent on the processor core itself. If you cannot get it stable at 1.30V (actual) at 400x10 (ex) then don't bother. Raising the vcore for 24/7 use on this cpu WILL degrade it and you will find yourself lowering multi/FSB to get it stable again. My QX9770's both were a letdown needing at least 1.4V to reach 4GHz stable. One QX9650 did 4.1GHz at 1.25 volts! :shocked:

 

[secretanchitman]

i can get 3.6Ghz on my Q9450 on air...mind you it is fairly high end air cooling (thermalright extreme 120 + noctua 120mm fan).

 

[Old Hippie]

[/quote]TRUE for sure. The Vendetta has nowhere near the thermal capacity of a TRUE. Where the TRUE shows its TRUE colors (hehe) is when you start to raise vcore and speed in unison. The spread between it and the lesser coolers becomes readily apparent. This is something that none of the tests reveal since their maximum TDP or input is far lower. That said a Yorkfield at 4GHz is highly dependent on the processor core itself. If you cannot get it stable at 1.30V (actual) at 400x10 (ex) then don't bother. Raising the vcore for 24/7 use on this cpu WILL degrade it and you will find yourself lowering multi/FSB to get it stable again. My QX9770's both were a letdown needing at least 1.4V to reach 4GHz stable. One QX9650 did 4.1GHz at 1.25 volts! :shocked:[/quote]

Nice to see you again Ruby! :thumbsup:

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
One QX9650 did 4.1GHz at 1.25 volts! :shocked:

i got one to spank that.

470fsb on a 780i stable.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...gomorla/IMPOSSIBLE.jpg

Ruby we talking 780i here! LOL..

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Rubycon
One QX9650 did 4.1GHz at 1.25 volts! :shocked:

i got one to spank that.

470fsb on a 780i stable.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...gomorla/IMPOSSIBLE.jpg

Ruby we talking 780i here! LOL..

780i is useful as tits on a bull to an AV person! :laugh:

I don't trust Prime or OCCT any more. Any of the stress programs are really not of use since they don't stress parts of the CPU particularly SSE4 and that was found when at full load doing encoding. A chip fully stable with Prime, Linpack, OCCT, etc. produced visible artifacts in video when SSE4 was used until it was clocked down! Some of the previous 4GHz stable CPU weren't really stable in this regard until dropped to 3.8 or even 3.6GHz! :Q Speed may be one thing but if it messes up work it's quite useless.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Originally posted by: Old Hippie
TRUE for sure. The Vendetta has nowhere near the thermal capacity of a TRUE. Where the TRUE shows its TRUE colors (hehe) is when you start to raise vcore and speed in unison. The spread between it and the lesser coolers becomes readily apparent. This is something that none of the tests reveal since their maximum TDP or input is far lower. That said a Yorkfield at 4GHz is highly dependent on the processor core itself. If you cannot get it stable at 1.30V (actual) at 400x10 (ex) then don't bother. Raising the vcore for 24/7 use on this cpu WILL degrade it and you will find yourself lowering multi/FSB to get it stable again. My QX9770's both were a letdown needing at least 1.4V to reach 4GHz stable. One QX9650 did 4.1GHz at 1.25 volts! :shocked
Nice to see you again Ruby! :thumbsup:

Well, I think the reviews that we could trust -- there were two of them at the same site as a series -- showed that the Vendetta 2 would keep up with the TRUE and only lag a little in performance under stress.

But I'm pretty sure that the Noctua NH-U12P edges out the TRUE by a few degrees. With my E8400 VCORE near 1.37V (and -- NO -- I don't feel comfortable with that setting) -- the load temperatures were still under 60C -- topping out at 59C -- with the room-ambient between 80 and 82F. Dropping back to a 20% over-clock and just under VCORE=1.32V, 76F room-ambient gives load temperature in the mid to low 50's and Blend-Test stays under around 48C.

But like I'd already said -- with the troubles requiring BIOS revisions to accommodate the "improved" E8x00 thermal sensor interpretation (look for an Anandtech E8500 review of March, 2008 -- "Best Just Got Better" or something) -- you can't rely on comparing absolute temperature values. But the spread between idle and load -- the difference -- is probably a more reliable comparison. My system with the Noctua was showing about a 14C-degree spread, whatever the room-ambient, and whatever the error in absolute temperature measurement may be.