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Hayabusa Rider

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Remains to be seen but people are hanging onto this too much. Don't go birther people because if there's a push for this and it falls through people will take you as seriously as they did Birthers.

I'm thinking this is going to go nowhere and there's a good chance it's manufactured material.

Just watch and if there's legs to this then you have a factual complaint. Complaining about Benghazi then being seen to be like "those" people might be satisfying at a visceral level but you will be playing into Trump's hands.
 

HamburgerBoy

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First off, stop reading Twitter norseamd, you believe anything posted on it that you want to.

Second off, if the image is true, the interesting thing isn't that there's more evidence, it's that more than just this one ex-MI6 guy took the report seriously. If the story turns out false, this couldn't possibly be a better break for Trump. This is great news for the Trump camp until the actual video footage gets out there.
 

MajinCry

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Well, Trump is a close friend of ol' Epstein. Do people genuinely think Trump isn't a rapacious degenerate?
 

jman19

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Well, Trump is a close friend of ol' Epstein. Do people genuinely think Trump isn't a rapacious degenerate?
Wouldn't surprise me really, though I am willing to take a patient approach with this.

Amusing to see Trump going nuts over unverified news since the launch of his political career was around birtherism bullshit used to fire up the rubes.
 

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Lifer
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First off, stop reading Twitter norseamd, you believe anything posted on it that you want to.

Second off, if the image is true, the interesting thing isn't that there's more evidence, it's that more than just this one ex-MI6 guy took the report seriously. If the story turns out false, this couldn't possibly be a better break for Trump. This is great news for the Trump camp until the actual video footage gets out there.
There is no universe where the country sees a false report about Trump as "great" for him. Dude already has more scandals in his pre-admin than the previous 8 yrs combined.
 

HamburgerBoy

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There is no universe where the country sees a false report about Trump as "great" for him. Dude already has more scandals in his pre-admin than the previous 8 yrs combined.
Really? Let's say the report is revealed to be 100% fake, and our intelligence agencies (which Trump has a vendetta against) admit to taking it seriously, and CNN (which Trump has a vendetta against) admits to jumping the gun. You don't think that validates everything Trump has been accusing others of over the last several months?
 

OrByte

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I think NBC has a ton of material but since Trump and NBA execs are friends they stifled the release of any of it.
 

agent00f

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Really? Let's say the report is revealed to be 100% fake, and our intelligence agencies (which Trump has a vendetta against) admit to taking it seriously, and CNN (which Trump has a vendetta against) admits to jumping the gun. You don't think that validates everything Trump has been accusing others of over the last several months?
He's already validated in the eyes of pretty much everyone who's ever going to validate him.
 

1sikbITCH

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First off, stop reading Twitter norseamd, you believe anything posted on it that you want to.

Second off, if the image is true, the interesting thing isn't that there's more evidence, it's that more than just this one ex-MI6 guy took the report seriously. If the story turns out false, this couldn't possibly be a better break for Trump. This is great news for the Trump camp until the actual video footage gets out there.
I've never seen proof of treason in the the emails (wrongdoing seems likely but still is not proven) or proof of pizzagate but nobody really needed proof. I believe the quote was "You'd be in jail!". Nobody thought that was great for Clinton.

Perception is reality. This is why fake news works.
 

HamburgerBoy

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He's already validated in the eyes of pretty much everyone who's ever going to validate him.
Sounds like you've given up on 2020 already. The idea that every Trump voter is a diehard loyalist is not true; there were plenty of Republicans that voted for him because "Anything but Hillary", and probably a lot of moderates that sat things out because they hated both candidates. What happens if Trump finally finds that smidgen of truth about a conspiracy against him? He will ride that until his death.

Plus, the biggest thing that will stall him in terms of being effective and rallying Republicans together in support of Russia are obviously the Russian ties allegations. Even if there are real Russian ties with Trump, revelation of fake ones gives him a free pass on that issue. I mean, McCain for one is going to look like an absolute fool if these documents were fake, and is going to lose a lot of his maverick power he once enjoyed over the Republican mainline.
 

norseamd

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First off, stop reading Twitter norseamd, you believe anything posted on it that you want to.

Second off, if the image is true, the interesting thing isn't that there's more evidence, it's that more than just this one ex-MI6 guy took the report seriously. If the story turns out false, this couldn't possibly be a better break for Trump. This is great news for the Trump camp until the actual video footage gets out there.
Hes apparently real enough for the British government to send out the "D-Notice" to the British Press.



Apparently it hasnt done much good as he has already been named, and hes been in hiding the last few days. His family seems to be in hiding as well. His neighbor is now apparently taking care of his cat.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I've never seen proof of treason in the the emails (seems likely but still is not proven) or proof of pizzagate but nobody really needed proof. I believe the quote was "You'd be in jail!". Nobody thought that was great for Clinton.

Perception is reality. This is why fake news works.
Pizzagate came pretty late. iirc, NYT and other big orgs didn't even discuss it until after the election was over. "You'd be in jail" was because of the email server, not pedo sex trafficking rings.
 

UglyCasanova

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So what happened on this, how did McCain get the docs? And he gave them to the FBI correct? How did CNN and Buzzfeed get them?
 

JSt0rm

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lol trump will get impeached and pence will be president. Still good for the republicans. I dont even know pence but Id take him over trump.
 
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norseamd

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So what happened on this, how did McCain get the docs? And he gave them to the FBI correct? How did CNN and Buzzfeed get them?
McCain got the docs by flying to the UK and meeting a contact of his. And he did give them to the FBI. Although Im not exactly caught up on the timeline here so his part in this may have happened in December after the election?

Regardless, not all of this is from the same source. Going by what the BBC has said in that television report that was copied on Twitter in the OP, the BBC seems to have gotten other information that was not from Christopher Steele, or whoever it really is.

Also these documents have been circulating in the media for months, but no media organization ever publicly published them until Buzzfeed did just a few days ago.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Hes apparently real enough for the British government to send out the "D-Notice" to the British Press.

Apparently it hasnt done much good as he has already been named, and hes been in hiding the last few days. His family seems to be in hiding as well. His neighbor is now apparently taking care of his cat.
Did you miss the disclaimer of "irrespective of the whether or not"? It's basically an official way of saying "Don't dox us bro". It doesn't say anything about the reliability of this particular agent.
 
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This was entertaining for 24 hours but if there's no actual evidence released the whole thing is pointless. His supporters will dismiss it, same people with doubt it and anti-Trump zealots will bring it up for years.

It really could end up being his birth certificate and a lot of people will look foolish.

Fortunately most here have had the mistrust, but vilify viewpoint going which has been enjoyable.
 

norseamd

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This was entertaining for 24 hours but if there's no actual evidence released the whole thing is pointless. His supporters will dismiss it, same people with doubt it and anti-Trump zealots will bring it up for years.

It really could end up being his birth certificate and a lot of people will look foolish.

Fortunately most here have had the mistrust, but vilify viewpoint going which has been enjoyable.
It will take some time to verify a lot of this.

Fortunately it should be possible to verify at least some of these claims.
 

HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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Remains to be seen but people are hanging onto this too much. Don't go birther people because if there's a push for this and it falls through people will take you as seriously as they did Birthers.

I'm thinking this is going to go nowhere and there's a good chance it's manufactured material.

Just watch and if there's legs to this then you have a factual complaint. Complaining about Benghazi then being seen to be like "those" people might be satisfying at a visceral level but you will be playing into Trump's hands.
Really? They took the birthers so seriously they elected its king.
 

agent00f

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Sounds like you've given up on 2020 already. The idea that every Trump voter is a diehard loyalist is not true; there were plenty of Republicans that voted for him because "Anything but Hillary", and probably a lot of moderates that sat things out because they hated both candidates. What happens if Trump finally finds that smidgen of truth about a conspiracy against him? He will ride that until his death.

Plus, the biggest thing that will stall him in terms of being effective and rallying Republicans together in support of Russia are obviously the Russian ties allegations. Even if there are real Russian ties with Trump, revelation of fake ones gives him a free pass on that issue. I mean, McCain for one is going to look like an absolute fool if these documents were fake, and is going to lose a lot of his maverick power he once enjoyed over the Republican mainline.
It's pretty much a given that even Trump is sometimes accidentally correct, so to reiterate, anyone convinced by that sort of thing will already have been. As for 2020, the rust belt strategy looks pretty solid so long as they can funnel enough money that way, and it's not as if the "fiscal conservatives" are going to get in the way of their own.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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If we allow these "reports" to dictate a response from us, then we have granted them power. To what end? To change US policy.
If it's true and we do nothing, we maintain a (soon) sitting President who is blackmailed by Russia.
To that I say... we have a no win scenario, unless we manage to break into and obtain highly credible information.
 

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