There's a line around the block at the Gas Station!

[TraumaRN]

What pisses me off even MORE is that the price of wholesale unleaded gasoline DROPPED TEN CENTS just today on the commodity market(not to even mention oil prices dropped too) yet all the stations in my area increased gas prices by roughly 10-20 cents a gallon today....how the fvck does *THAT* work??!?

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: IGBT
..blame the enviro-wacko's for interfering with the construction of new refineries. No new refineries in the US in 30 years.

P&N is that way if you want to regurgitate talking points.

PS - the oilco's haven't asked for a new refinery in years. There are complete barriers to new competition and no incentive to build more refining capacity when they can jack up the prices for their current refining capacity and experience the windfall they've experienced in the last couple of years.

..and don't forget the windfall of taxes collected by state and local's. Oil co. have asked but don't bother with the blizzard of reg's and enviro wacko crapo.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
#1 People are not bitching about the high price of gas. That would be kind of pointless. It sucks but its inoffensive. What IS offensive, is high price of gas PLUS record profits not just for the oil industry, but historical record profits for any company anywhere. It's ridiculous.

If you own stocks in anyway, it wouldn't so ridiculous. Would it?

yes. I like to make a buck as much as the next guy, but:

profits < national economic stability & well being for middle class consumers that drive the economy

All that's happening here is that the Oilco's are grabbing a slice from the middle income discretionary spending pie in addition to their historical slice. this is coming largely at the expense of more discretionary spending options in the short term (especially dining out and entertainment), buta s the prices rise, consumers feel the pinch even harder as they start having to cut back on expenditures that are quasi-necessities. At $4/gallon, a lot of blue collar families are gonna be running really lean household budgets.

BooHoo. Tell them to cut off the cell phones and cable TV and their extra gas money is right there. Those aren't "quasi-necessities" they are choices.

Wow! What a great solution! You should be president! What's your economic plan for all the people that would lose their jobs if that happened?

 

[Chadder007]

Its still 2.98 down the road here.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I am a fairly average commuter (and I commute because the homes near my office are double the price of mine - I bought a little less than I could afford and no more). I burn about 50 gallons every 2 weeks.

Holy shiznit Batman, 2 tanks a week? :Q

I do a tank every 3 weeks or so

 

[IGBT]

Maximized U.S. refinery capacity is one of the causes of record high-gasoline prices, according to business leaders and some economists. The legislation, passed Friday by only two votes, looks to ease regulatory restrictions on new and expanded refineries. It also specifically prohibits gasoline price gouging. Arizona does not have a state price gouging law.







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There has not been a new refinery built in the U.S. in three decades. The planned $2.5 billion Yuma refinery could benefit from the new law if it gains final federal approval. The energy facility has already cleared a major environmental hurdle at the state and federal level but still must gain additional government OKs, investment dollars and ink a deal with Mexico to transport crude oil via a pipeline.

Officials associated with the company wanting to the build the refinery, Arizona Clean Fuels, say the Yuma project could benefit from the energy measure and help the refinery get built.

Arizona Democratic Congressman Raul Grijalva blasted the approved bill, saying it will give subsidies to oil and coal companies and lower environmental and clean air standards. The Sierra Club and other environmental groups also criticized the bill. Sandy Bahr, state lobbyist for the Sierra Club, faulted the Republican and business-supported energy measures saying they keep the U.S. dependent on oil and do not do enough to increase fuel efficiency in automobiles or encourage other energy sources.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Excellent. Can't wait til we see $4/gal. Hopefully it'll happen by the middle of summer. I will be ecstatic if it hits $5/gal by the end of the year. Maybe then the moronic sheepizens of this country will realize we need to throw our nation's resources at alternative energy sources, for the sake of our economy, continued technological dominance, the environment, & to make the Middle East irrelevant again.

 

[ballmode]

We need new fuel sources and better mpg cars

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

You should see it in CA. On the corner of 6th and Harrison in SF there's a Shell selling for over $4.20. Across the street is a Cheveron going for $3.77. It's hilarious. It's always like that too. THe Cheveron is like 30 - 50 cents cheaper.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
The difference between $3.34 and $3.66 on 20 gallons of gas is what... like $6.50, give or take a few cents?

Not worth my time to wait in line for. Not even once a week.

I won't wait in line, but let's put this in perspective. I am a fairly average commuter (and I commute because the homes near my office are double the price of mine - I bought a little less than I could afford and no more). I burn about 50 gallons every 2 weeks. My car has a modest 3.0L V6 (I'm gonna sell it soon - wife drives a 48mpg TDI), that gets in the high 20's per gallon (not great but not exactly an SUV).

50 gallons x 52 weeks / 2 week intervals x $0.32 per gallon increase means that my fuel cost for the year has increased by $416 if the prices remain at or near that level. That's an increase. My absolute cost is now $4,758, rather than $4,342. You cannot ignore the absolute dollars because those are real costs. And that assumes I don't take my kid to see his parents, or take any other "discretionary" trips. Knowing that we're all supposed to be mindless workerbees, that's not an issue, at least until my parents & in laws take offense when I dont return the favor so they can see their grandchild.

PS - if you're responding seriously to my last comment, get out and relax. levity - just try some.

I also drive a V6 sedan (3.5l engine) that averages around 19mpg. However, I only drove it about 6000 miles last year which is $3,600 less per year (using $3.50/gallon prices) that I spend on gas than you currently spend simply by living closer to where I work and by riding my bike to and from work a couple days a week.

As gas prices increase even higher, so will the cost of living for those of you who live far from where you work and from where you buy your necessities. You could argue that I will pay more for goods and services as the cost of moving goods around increases with rising fuel prices but so will those of you who drive 3-4x the number of miles I do so that's really a moot point.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I am a fairly average commuter (and I commute because the homes near my office are double the price of mine - I bought a little less than I could afford and no more). I burn about 50 gallons every 2 weeks.

Holy shiznit Batman, 2 tanks a week? :Q

I do a tank every 3 weeks or so

A tank a week is about right when you need to do a decent commute + errands. I can see that happening. I can do a tank every 2 - 3 weeks even as a student when all I have to do is buy groceries, and head out for fun very rarely.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: rdubbz420


Sorry for being a voice of reason. People like you drive up the price with all the panic, panic mayhem crap. Why don?t you stop worrying and make a change.

Ok, since you already answered that beyond our control speculation is responsible for a large portion of the price increase, riddle me this then dumbass. If we are already driving the minimum of just to and from work and a once a week trip for groceries exactly how much else is there to cut back on.

I had this same discussion with the my friends across the street.

I have no problem with the price of gas. The increase has not affect the way I live my life what so ever. But my one friend is a stay at home mom of 2 children and my other friend is a single mom.

The changes we have made was to organize a car pool for the single mom at her job. We now walk to the post office together as an outing... stopping off at Carvel for the kids on the way back. We organize our shopping together, so once a week we all go together and take turns whose car we use. If one of us needs something and has to run to the store, we call each other to see if there is something we can pick up for the rest.

The single mom has traded in her SUV for a more fuel efficient vehicle. The stay at home mom leaves her mini van in the garage and takes her hubby's little car whenever possible. We use my car most of the time, since the gas price doesnt bother me.

We live across the street from each other, so it works out quite well.

Gas prices have risen, a lot. They will continue to rise for quite some time. Adjustments in lifestyle must be made where ever possible, unfortunately.

 

[Aikouka]

I'm more annoyed with my apparent gas mileage this time around... normally I get pretty good mileage for my car (26-27) but I'm almost at 3/4 of a tank with 100 miles on the tripometer... that ain't normal. I'm normally at 140 or 160 at that point. Funny, I actually used the air conditioner a bit less than normal after I filled up a couple days ago too and my mileage seems much worse when my driving has been about the same. Personally, I could care less about the price of gas though.. I just care that my car is getting decent mileage for what it should get. If it for some reason gets 23mpg and I haven't changed my driving habits, I'll get really annoyed that something affected my mileage so .

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Excellent. Can't wait til we see $4/gal. Hopefully it'll happen by the middle of summer. I will be ecstatic if it hits $5/gal by the end of the year. Maybe then the moronic sheepizens of this country will realize we need to throw our nation's resources at alternative energy sources, for the sake of our economy, continued technological dominance, the environment, & to make the Middle East irrelevant again.

..despite your green dreams the world will be dependent upon oil for your life time and well beyond. Your Yugo and all future Yugo's will still need gas.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I am a fairly average commuter (and I commute because the homes near my office are double the price of mine - I bought a little less than I could afford and no more). I burn about 50 gallons every 2 weeks.

Holy shiznit Batman, 2 tanks a week? :Q

I do a tank every 3 weeks or so

Tank & a half. bothers me how much is wasted sitting in traffic. There are a lot of things we could do if the job marketplace would get rid of antiquated notions such as the absolute necessity to be in the office or on a jobsite everyday when telecommuting 2 or 3 times per week wouldnt impact productivity or staggering start times to avoid traffic. That would make a big difference.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I'm more annoyed with my apparent gas mileage this time around... normally I get pretty good mileage for my car (26-27) but I'm almost at 3/4 of a tank with 100 miles on the tripometer... that ain't normal. I'm normally at 140 or 160 at that point. Funny, I actually used the air conditioner a bit less than normal after I filled up a couple days ago too and my mileage seems much worse when my driving has been about the same. Personally, I could care less about the price of gas though.. I just care that my car is getting decent mileage for what it should get. If it for some reason gets 23mpg and I haven't changed my driving habits, I'll get really annoyed that something affected my mileage so .

So, if you could care less exactly how much less could you care? 50%? 100%?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I'm more annoyed with my apparent gas mileage this time around... normally I get pretty good mileage for my car (26-27) but I'm almost at 3/4 of a tank with 100 miles on the tripometer... that ain't normal. I'm normally at 140 or 160 at that point. Funny, I actually used the air conditioner a bit less than normal after I filled up a couple days ago too and my mileage seems much worse when my driving has been about the same. Personally, I could care less about the price of gas though.. I just care that my car is getting decent mileage for what it should get. If it for some reason gets 23mpg and I haven't changed my driving habits, I'll get really annoyed that something affected my mileage so .

Probably time to check the tire pressure.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Excellent. Can't wait til we see $4/gal. Hopefully it'll happen by the middle of summer. I will be ecstatic if it hits $5/gal by the end of the year. Maybe then the moronic sheepizens of this country will realize we need to throw our nation's resources at alternative energy sources, for the sake of our economy, continued technological dominance, the environment, & to make the Middle East irrelevant again.

And which one of us are gonna right the 1 kabillion dollar check to cover that. Cause the current energy industry sure isn't gonna touch it until an end to oil based supply is closer and the only times our government hasn't reacted at the speed of that tree based syrup heading uphill in winter is when a foreign contingent has attacked it's people or material.

 

[DrPizza]

Question:

If the line is backed up around the block, what kind of morons sit in their cars, idling their engines for 25 minutes while waiting to buy gas? They're going to burn $1.50 worth of gas in order to save $3. Isn't their time worth something to them?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Excellent. Can't wait til we see $4/gal. Hopefully it'll happen by the middle of summer. I will be ecstatic if it hits $5/gal by the end of the year.

Agreed. I'll soon be the only one around my area still driving a 400+ HP vehicle. No more dealing with people trying to race past me at merges because they won't even be able to try in their 45 HP economy cars

I don't have any car payments, so I'm already $400+ a month ahead of everyone else on rising gas prices lol.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
I don't give a rats ass if I pay $10 more a week to drive. If you don't like it, drive less or get a smaller car.

dumbass, you will when the price of your food and groceries goes up. oh not to mention taxes going up because people are buying less fuel, and the states and feds are starting to feel the pinch from less tax money coming in from fuel sales.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..blame the enviro-wacko's for interfering with the construction of new refineries. No new refineries in the US in 30 years.

the enviro-wackos has nothing to do with it. why should the oil companies build more refineries? to do a favor to us their customers? please, the oil crooks are happy the way things are, tight supply = huge profits. if they build refineries the customers supply will increase and profits drops. not good for them at all.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Question:

If the line is backed up around the block, what kind of morons sit in their cars, idling their engines for 25 minutes while waiting to buy gas? They're going to burn $1.50 worth of gas in order to save $3. Isn't their time worth something to them?

LOL no ******. I love it when people wait in line all day to get that one last gallon of gas... what are they going to do tomorrow when that one gallon is gone half way to work? LOL

Futile and pointless panic that merely puts off the inevitable for a few minutes. People are such sheep.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
BooHoo. Tell them to cut off the cell phones and cable TV and their extra gas money is right there. Those aren't "quasi-necessities" they are choices.

Translation:

Oilco's profits > basic food & clothing for middle income families.

Gotcha. I vehemently disagree and abhor your attitude, but I gotcha.

He said cell phones and cable TV. Not food and clothing. Are you fscking stupid?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
BooHoo. Tell them to cut off the cell phones and cable TV and their extra gas money is right there. Those aren't "quasi-necessities" they are choices.

Translation:

Oilco's profits > basic food & clothing for middle income families.

Gotcha. I vehemently disagree and abhor your attitude, but I gotcha.

He said cell phones and cable TV. Not food and clothing. Are you fscking stupid?

I have a cell phone with a minimal plan, and I've never had cable TV (just 10 mbit internet). I hear people are paying $100+ a month for that mindless sh1t on network TV these days, but they bitch when gas for their beloved status symbol goes up $40 a month.