There really does seem to be a firewall at the horizon of a black hole

Charmonium

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This is an incredible article. If you're not familiar with the black hole firewall paradox, just google it.

If the horizon of a black hole is obstructed by something like a firewall, then the horizon could potentially reflect gravitational waves. If that was so, then LIGO should see evidence for these modifications. In particular, a collision between two black holes should produce an echo.

That’s the basic idea put forward by two independent groups of physicists, one led by Vítor Cardoso and the other by Niayesh Afshordi. Using simple models for a horizon with substance, the researchers showed that some of the gravitational waves emitted by a black hole collision should reflect back toward the black hole’s center. The waves would then reflect outwards again, where some would then once again be reflected at the horizon. The black hole would act like a resonant cavity with a semitransparent mirror at one end. It would emit periodic signals with decreasing amplitude. It would echo.

So much for the theory. What about the data? In late 2016, Afshordi and collaborators applied a custom-designed analysis to the publicly available LIGO data and looked for evidence of echoes. Amazingly enough, they found echoes just where they sought them. The signal was not highly significant — the researchers estimated a 1 in 100 chance that the signal was just noise — but a signal nevertheless.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/black-hole-echoes-would-reveal-break-with-einsteins-theory-20180322/
 
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Charmonium

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I'm only going to bump this, this once and only because I really want people to see it.

That is all.
 

DietDrThunder

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My main problem is this: "The theorists could now review the data analysis and develop hypotheses that fit the data better. But reanalyzing the same data over and over again carries a big risk: Instead of developing a better theory, they could merely find a way to better amplify noise."
 

Charmonium

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The real solution will probably be better detectors. So we might be waiting a while for something with a 5 sigma significance. But still, 1 chance in a hundred is very promising.

And if they're right, it has serious implications for both general relativity and quantum mechanics. They've been irreconcilable pretty much since day one so anything that sheds light on the cracks in either or both should help guide us to a grand unified theory.
 

zinfamous

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Does this mean that we can start making reference-quality blackhole-powered speakers that finally legitimize the need for those $30k+ Yeti speaker cables?
 

Darwin333

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That is pretty intriguing. Hopefully they get more samples from LIGO to further refine their studies.
 

Charmonium

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Does this mean that we can start making reference-quality blackhole-powered speakers that finally legitimize the need for those $30k+ Yeti speaker cables?
If you look at the waterfall charts for frequency decay, Even $30k+ speakers are kind of muddy. No cable will fix that. Black hole yokes would probably give you preternatural clarity of the sound but you'd need an infinite amount of energy to drive them.
 

BarkingGhostar

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I bet Chinese and Russian hackers are trying to get through said firewall to prevent any Amuirkans from voting anti-communiumism.