There goes Pay Go

winnar111

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122628143512612399.html

As Congress gears up to pass another spending "stimulus" bill, there's one political silver lining: Democrats are being forced to abandon the pretense of fiscal conservatism known as "pay as you go" budgeting.

Late last week the leader of the House Blue Dog Coalition, Tennessee Democrat Jim Cooper, announced that with Barack Obama about to enter the White House, "I'm not sure the old rules are relevant anymore." Why not? Because, Mr. Cooper said, "It would be unfair to the new President to put him in a budget straitjacket."

Democrats ran on "paygo" in 2006, promising to offset any new spending increases or tax cuts with comparable tax increases or spending cuts. Once in charge on Capitol Hill they quickly made exceptions, waiving paygo no fewer than 12 times to accommodate some $398 billion in new deficit spending -- not that the press corps bothered to notice. That didn't stop Majority Leader Steny Hoyer from announcing in May that "We're absolutely committed to paygo. Speaker [Nancy Pelosi] is committed to paygo. I'm very committed to paygo. Our caucus is committed to paygo."

Yet now Mr. Cooper is delivering official last rites, as the Washington spending machinery powers up in earnest. Paygo was always a big con designed not to reduce spending but to stop tax cuts. It was invented to stop the GOP Congress and then a Republican President, but it is inconvenient when Democrats run the show. With the recession available as an excuse for just about anything, get ready for the first $1 trillion federal budget deficit. And don't expect any howling from the Blue Dogs.


I guess we can axe another part of the falsified Obama plan.
 

fskimospy

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Huh? Do you bother to learn the slightest thing about these subjects before you post?

They are talking about economic stimulus packages. Economic stimulus packages are almost by definition deficit spending. If you offset a stimulus package with a tax increase or spending cut, then you aren't adding any extra money to the economy, rendering your stimulus nonexistent. This was talked about when the first stimulus was discussed, and should be obvious.
 

jpeyton

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Paygo went 8 years ago when Bush was elected.
 

Thump553

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Wasn't pay as you go wiped out approximately 2001, first with GWB's tax cuts for the wealthy, and then with his adventure in Iraq, etc?
 

spidey07

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Good article. WSJ will continue to write about important events and and tactic changes the MSM will not report for fear of harming the messiah. Much more of this will certainly follow - complete shift from obstructionist to agenda machine.

We're in for a really rough ride downhill. This is just the start.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Paygo went 8 years ago when Bush was elected.

Do you have "Bush did it" bound to a key yet? I would hate for you to get carpal-tunnel by having to type that out every time you use it to deflect from Obama.
 

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People need to wake up and smell reality. PayGo is not a reality, it is a fancy vote getting fluff tactic. The idea worked for a few years and started unravelling in about 1998/99. Shoot, the Dems touted PayGo as something they would abide by and enforce while on their way to winning majority status 2 years ago. Have they? Hell no. There hasn't even been an attempt made to do so.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Paygo went 8 years ago when Bush was elected.

Along with the rest of our Constitution. :(

Originally posted by: winnar111

And clearly, its not coming back. Change, eh?

I think Obama will restore our Constitutional rights. Digging us out of your Traitor In Chief's deficit hole will take a bit longer.

If I recall, you were one of those Bushwhacko sycophants who approved of the war and the tax cuts for the rich that dug us into this hole. :roll:
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Huh? Do you bother to learn the slightest thing about these subjects before you post?

They are talking about economic stimulus packages. Economic stimulus packages are almost by definition deficit spending. If you offset a stimulus package with a tax increase or spending cut, then you aren't adding any extra money to the economy, rendering your stimulus nonexistent. This was talked about when the first stimulus was discussed, and should be obvious.

and they never work...

 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: AFMatt
People need to wake up and smell reality. PayGo is not a reality, it is a fancy vote getting fluff tactic. The idea worked for a few years and started unravelling in about 1998/99. Shoot, the Dems touted PayGo as something they would abide by and enforce while on their way to winning majority status 2 years ago. Have they? Hell no. There hasn't even been an attempt made to do so.

News flash: Unilateral Wars are fucking expensive and often unnecessary (Iraq) and are not compatible with "Pay as you go".

EDIT: Unless, as was the case with Iraq I - Desert Storm, you have the whole world paying large percentages of the cost of the war and the reconstruction. Then "Pay as you go" could possibly still be feasible.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: AFMatt
People need to wake up and smell reality. PayGo is not a reality, it is a fancy vote getting fluff tactic. The idea worked for a few years and started unravelling in about 1998/99. Shoot, the Dems touted PayGo as something they would abide by and enforce while on their way to winning majority status 2 years ago. Have they? Hell no. There hasn't even been an attempt made to do so.

News flash: Health care is fucking expensive and often unnecessary (Iraq) and is not compatible with "Pay as you go".

Fixed for accuracy.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Paygo went 8 years ago when Bush was elected.

Do you have "Bush did it" bound to a key yet? I would hate for you to get carpal-tunnel by having to type that out every time you use it to deflect from Obama.

Why? Does it bother you that much that your president screwed up the country so bad that people say that about everything? Cant admit you were wrong?

Obama isnt even president for another 2+ months, everything we see going on here is Bush's fault. Welcome to the effects of your vote. Nice job right wingers ! Thanks alot /rolls eyes
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: retrospooty
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Paygo went 8 years ago when Bush was elected.

Do you have "Bush did it" bound to a key yet? I would hate for you to get carpal-tunnel by having to type that out every time you use it to deflect from Obama.

Why? Does it bother you that much that your president screwed up the country so bad that people say that about everything? Cant admit you were wrong?

Obama isnt even president for another 2+ months, everything we see going on here is Bush's fault. Welcome to the effects of your vote. Nice job right wingers ! Thanks alot /rolls eyes

Really? That is interesting. I'm pretty sure congress had to approve most of the legislation that has taken effect. Who runs that branch of our government, it is alluding me right now? Who voted for Iraq? Who continues to fund it?
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: AFMatt
People need to wake up and smell reality. PayGo is not a reality, it is a fancy vote getting fluff tactic. The idea worked for a few years and started unravelling in about 1998/99. Shoot, the Dems touted PayGo as something they would abide by and enforce while on their way to winning majority status 2 years ago. Have they? Hell no. There hasn't even been an attempt made to do so.

News flash: Health care is fucking expensive and often unnecessary (Iraq) and is not compatible with "Pay as you go".

Fixed for accuracy.

So what you're saying is:

That we SHOULD NOT spend our dollars here in the USA on American doctors and American health equipment and American pharmaceuticals, thereby increasing money movement and wealth creation in the American economy, while, at the same time making the American public more healthy and more competitive on a world scale.

But rather...

That we SHOULD spend our dollars over there in Iraq to kill Iraqis, to sacrifice American lives, to make America look like a country of complete fucking assholes to the rest of the world, to impose our idea of "freedom" on a population that did not want it and that did not threaten us in any way. EDIT: Oh and we can't forget setting up long term no-bid contracts for American Oil companies to rape Iraq of its Oil resources.

Right.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: AFMatt
People need to wake up and smell reality. PayGo is not a reality, it is a fancy vote getting fluff tactic. The idea worked for a few years and started unravelling in about 1998/99. Shoot, the Dems touted PayGo as something they would abide by and enforce while on their way to winning majority status 2 years ago. Have they? Hell no. There hasn't even been an attempt made to do so.

News flash: Health care is fucking expensive and often unnecessary (Iraq) and is not compatible with "Pay as you go".

Fixed for accuracy.

So what you're saying is:

That we SHOULD NOT spend our dollars here in the USA on American doctors and American health equipment and American pharmaceuticals, thereby increasing money movement and wealth creation in the American economy, while, at the same time making the American public more healthy and more competitive on a world scale.

Proof of any of this wealth creation?
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Huh? Do you bother to learn the slightest thing about these subjects before you post?

They are talking about economic stimulus packages. Economic stimulus packages are almost by definition deficit spending. If you offset a stimulus package with a tax increase or spending cut, then you aren't adding any extra money to the economy, rendering your stimulus nonexistent. This was talked about when the first stimulus was discussed, and should be obvious.

and here come the excuses.

Pelosi et al have been hammering Bush on paygo for the last two years.

You know it, I know it, Paygo was a political farce from the get go that the dems have used to skewer Bush and his administration. Now that the messiah is in office, they can conveniently ignore their own previous arguments. And this goes beyond the "stimulus packages". It will be the same with the welfare increases, unemployment extensions and universal healthcare.
 

heyheybooboo

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The Con knee-jerk is off the charts on this one.

The original PayGo was adopted in 1990 and expired without reauthorization by the Rethug Congress prior to the 2002 Bush tax cits.

It was reauthorized by the Dem Congress in 2007 and was never intended to apply in times of War or Economic Recession.

Instead of acting 'offended' I wonder how many posters have contacted their elected representatives or the White House demanding that Commander Codpiece veto the legislation ??

I'm thinkin' ..... zero

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
The Con knee-jerk is off the charts on this one.

The original PayGo was adopted in 1990 and expired without reauthorization by the Rethug Congress prior to the 2002 Bush tax cits.

It was reauthorized by the Dem Congress in 2007 and was never intended to apply in times of War or Economic Recession.

Instead of acting 'offended' I wonder how many posters have contacted their elected representatives or the White House demanding that Commander Codpiece veto the legislation ??

I'm thinkin' ..... zero

The Dems used paygo as one of their main talking points during the election 2 years ago, now they're ready to throw it out. FAIL