There are a lot of hopelessly optimistic AMD shills, but...

[Ottonomous]

To some buyers, it is. To others, such as you, it obviously isnt. Although TBH I question if your sentiments are not more related to brand loyalty, ( the "AMD is good, Intel is evil" delusion) instead of value. Personally to me it is worth every penny to *not* buy an AMD product, as a simple reaction to all the pro-AMD rhetoric permeating these forums.

Edit: And before people accuse me, I do not (and never have) work for Intel or any associated company, and hold no financial interest in either Intel or AMD. I am simply sick of all the intel hating, AMD promoting by numerous posters in these forums.

Seems reactionary and petty. Like I said, there is even a strong argument for the 9700K and 8700 based on pricing, and if the former were within 50 bucks of the 2700X it would be an extremely compelling option

Mindlessly defending Intel as a reactionary tactic or the reverse is just as bad

 

[DaveSimmons]

I have an intel 8700 non-K in my gaming PC (built last December).

I wanted close to the best performance for gaming at stock speed, with the best power efficiency. Intel wins big over AMD on both performance-per-watt for gaming, and performance at stock speed.

I make a very decent living so price is a distant third behind performance and performance-per-watt. That's also why I've been buying nvidia GPUs for the last few upgrades.

AMD is a better choice if you're on a budget. I'm not.

 

[ultimatebob]

The Intel ones have a more peculiar pscyhology
- incremental architectural enhancements are highly welcome if still competitive
- exhorbitant prices are features of luxury
- bad OC temps was you failing to delid or sand the sTIM, or RMA your unlucky chip
- the 8400 represents immense value even at current prices
- lack of a cooler or stock cooler is because consumers shouldn't be stupid
- server success reflects nicely upon me as an Intel enthusiast
- the OEM exclusivity payments are deflection attempts and not genuine arguments against policy
- the prices stink but Intel should get away with them for marginally better performance

Why, anger with the hyperoptimism and senseless antagonism of some AMD fans, or the genuine belief that the mighty should conquer absolutely,

You realized that 95% of computer buyers don't give a damn about anything in this list, right? They just buy the prebuilt gaming computer that's on sale and looks the coolest. Most of them don't care if it has an AMD or Intel processor, and they really shouldn't because the video card is usually the bottleneck in most games.

I don't know... maybe I'm just pissed because this whole thread should be in the CPU forum.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I don't know... maybe I'm just pissed because this whole thread should be in the CPU forum.

Nah, first post is just "intel buyers are dumz!" ranting flamebait, not worth posting in a technical subforum.

Coke not Pepsi. Soda not pop. The Goddamned Batman because he prepared for the fight six weeks in advance by adding Kryptonite to Clark's k-cup pods.

 

[Ottonomous]

Nah, first post is just "intel buyers are dumz!" ranting flamebait, not worth posting in a technical subforum.

Coke not Pepsi. Soda not pop. The Goddamned Batman because he prepared for the fight six weeks in advance by adding Kryptonite to Clark's k-cup pods.

I admit it was flamebait but in my defense I was hoping to stimulate some fiery discussion