The World from Berlin: 'Obama's Middle East Policy Is in Ruins'

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unokitty

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From the article:

"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."

"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."

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Some perspective from Europe.

Different than your perspective?

Uno
 
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Exterous

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unokitty said:
"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."

"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."

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Some perspective from Europe.

Different than your perspective?

Uno
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I think its hard to scare people that don't really have a fear of dying. They also seem far more willing to accept long period of conflict and strife

We really need to find a permanent alternative to oil and leave them to their own devices.
 
K1052

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Somebody remind me again what continent was pressing hardest for intervention in Libya.
 
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MooseNSquirrel

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"Some German commentators argue that the violence shows that Obama's Middle East policies have failed."

"The deeply held American belief that all you have to do is liberate people from serfdom and dictatorship, and then democracy and a market economy will develop more or less on their own, burned to ash in the trial by fire of Iraq. A fact that academics and historically informed diplomats have always known can now be observed throughout the Arab world: Deeply ingrained cultural attitudes do not change simply because one political regime replaces another. In the long process of building a democratic society, it is not possible to simply skip stages."

"Mitt Romney has, however, failed to recognize the very core of the American dilemma. He attacked Obama with twisted facts shortly after the announcement of the death of the US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens. He claimed that the US government had sympathized with the attackers in Benghazi. But not only was that factually wrong, it also demonstrated an alarmingly high level of foreign policy incompetence to his own party. None of this would matter, except that Romney wants Obama's job -- and might even get it on Nov. 6."
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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OCGuy said:
There would be a lot more dead jihadis.
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If you understand many of the rules of engagement our soldiers have lived under in both Iraq and Afghanistan, you would know better than to believe that bull!@#$.

Bush was one of the worst Presidents for preserving the lives of our troops.
 
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MooseNSquirrel

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unokitty said:
From the article:

"One thing is clear: If jihadists believe they can attack American installations and kill an ambassador on the anniversary of Sept. 11, then America's deterrent power has declined considerably. For a superpower, it is not enough just to want to be loved. You have to scare the bad guys to keep them in check."

"US President Barack Obama's Middle East policy is in ruins. Like no president before him, he tried to win over the Arab world. After some initial hesitation, he came out clearly on the side of the democratic revolutions. … In this context, he must accept the fact that he has snubbed old close allies such as Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Egyptian military. And now parts of the freed societies are turning against the country which helped bring them into being. Anti-Americanism in the Arab world has even increased to levels greater than in the Bush era. It's a bitter outcome for Obama."

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Some perspective from Europe.

Different than your perspective?

Uno
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By the way, shame on you for your thread title. A more accurate title would have been: "Conservative commentator from Berlin thinks Obama's policy is in ruins".

They quote 7 people from different news organizations, and you chose 1 to summarize the whole thing.
 
Budmantom

Budmantom

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MooseNSquirrel said:
By the way, shame on you for your thread title. A more accurate title would have been: "Conservative commentator from Berlin thinks Obama's policy is in ruins".

They quote 7 people from different news organizations, and you chose 1 to summarize the whole thing.
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He should have quoted someone from msnbc.
 
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Incorruptible

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Shame on obama. He has destroyed the Middle East by pandering. We need a much better policy to deal with these people
 
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bfdd

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K1052 said:
Somebody remind me again what continent was pressing hardest for intervention in Libya.
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Our allies in Europe and Mrs. Clinton were war hawking this effort on day two. Supposedly the only other big supporter was Obama. Biden and other top senior officials wanted hands completely off.
 
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Moonbeam

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Another convulsion of the vile pathological fear that infects the conservative mind and causes it to see the world through terror colored lenses, as if there were a segment of inhuman monsters out there called Muslims who are not exactly like any other bunch of humans with all the inalienable longing for rights and justice as found in any other group of people. Fear not, my poopy pants friends. We are all the same. What you fear in others is yourselves. Poor poor fearful things. So sick but with such potential. So sad. Such a waste.
 
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bfdd

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Moonbeam said:
Another convulsion of the vile pathological fear that infects the conservative mind and causes it to see the world through terror colored lenses, as if there were a segment of inhuman monsters out there called Muslims who are not exactly like any other bunch of humans with all the inalienable longing for rights and justice as found in any other group of people. Fear not, my poopy pants friends. We are all the same. What you fear in others is yourselves. Poor poor fearful things. So sick but with such potential. So sad. Such a waste.
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Says the "enlightened" one who never took off his blinders. How does it feel to be such a false being?
 
Budmantom

Budmantom

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Moonbeam said:
Another convulsion of the vile pathological fear that infects the conservative mind and causes it to see the world through terror colored lenses, as if there were a segment of inhuman monsters out there called Muslims who are not exactly like any other bunch of humans with all the inalienable longing for rights and justice as found in any other group of people. Fear not, my poopy pants friends. We are all the same. What you fear in others is yourselves. Poor poor fearful things. So sick but with such potential. So sad. Such a waste.
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You were able to break away from protesting to post this?
 
umbrella39

umbrella39

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Odd how Black Bush's middle east policies are now the devil to the fanbois who championed them when they were White Bush's :rolleyes:
 
kage69

kage69

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OCGuy said:
There would be a lot more dead jihadis.
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And dead Americans. And a few more billion spent. And even more anti-American sentiment in the area.


You know what, I'm convinced. I'm so voting for Mittens now.
 
kage69

kage69

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Incorruptible said:
Shame on obama. He has destroyed the Middle East by pandering. We need a much better policy to deal with these people
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lol

Yep, that evil Obama sure has some nerve destroying the pristine and peaceful oasis we call the Middle East.
 
Budmantom

Budmantom

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kage69 said:
And dead Americans. And a few more billion spent. And even more anti-American sentiment in the area.


You know what, I'm convinced. I'm so voting for Mittens now.
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We have dead Americans, we are spending billions on the ME and are they showing us love?
 
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