The word 'logic' scares my mother

Alphathree33

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So I just got into a huge argument with my mother about something really lame and stupid.

Normally when she gets angry with me about something really lame and stupid, I just sit there and let her yell at me and play games and completely ignore her. This usually works and draws a response from her later on of "Im sorry blah blah blah blah"

So it goes. (Kurt Vonnegut reference sorry)

But today I thought hey, I've tried the same strategy for my entire life. Why not go for another strategy?

Now, understnad that my mother approves of my going into engineering, but she hates how I look at the world from a mathematical/scientific perspective. She just hates it.

After about five minutes of her blabbing on about how wonderful she is and how much of a jerk I am, I started being very flippant. (I actually wasnt just ACTING calm, I WAS/AM very calm as this is such a common occurance that arguments are like eating soup for me.)

She said
"you know Im not looking forwad to spending time with you in waterloo, christ"
and I said "well, I'm not exactly looking forward to you yelling at me there either, you know"
to which she responded something along the lines of Im the one who 'makes' her yell at me

So then I started talking about how I deal with her yelling at me and purposefully made a reference to her as an experiment. I said "Well, I've tried a number of times to just sit here and let you yell at me. But that hasn't been producing desirable results. And, after all, a man has to defend himself from time to time. So this time I'm trying arguing back to see if it produces better results."

This sounded very reasonable to me.

But something odd happened this time she said "you know what, F*CK YOU and your LOGIC" and started crying and ran off upstairs.

Now, I must admit that it did bring a faster conclusion to the whole argument process. I'm just sitting here on my comp waiting to see if she comes down to apologize or if the impossibility of a mother never forgiving her son actually happens.
 

Alphathree33

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
No offense, but that sounds kind of messed up.

There's nothing like an opportunity to critisize the way someone thinks when they're angry. :) It's usually messed up.
 

Darien

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I'm surprised your mom told you "you know what, F*CK YOU and your LOGIC"

wow...
 

djheater

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You wouldn't by chance be reminding her of your estranged father or one of her parents with whom she had a difficult relationship would you?...

Moms have issues.... remember the girl you love?... your mom was once as that girl is now.... consider treating her in a like manner...
 

edjam

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Wow...you two have, uhm, 'issues', to say the least, you may regret this arguing one day.
 

Alphathree33

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Originally posted by: djheater
You wouldn't by chance be reminding her of your estranged father or one of her parents with whom she had a difficult relationship would you?...

Moms have issues.... remember the girl you love?... your mom was once as that girl is now.... consider treating her in a like manner...

I think I remind her of my father (her ex). That's not normally the basis of our arguments, though. Not unless she starts trashing him and I defend him, since he is my father. He's not a deadbeat I see him regularly and he pays my mother support even though she and my step dad make 5 times what he my step mom make.

EDIT: BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL that she reminds me of the girl that I posted about in another thread. There's just no way. She's calm, gentle, loving...
 

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I did some f-d up stuff as a kid and my moms never told me to F-off.....maybe you should ask her if she thinks that's a normal way to talk to a kid. I'm not saying my parents are perfect at all, but that's just wrong....
 

djheater

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: djheater

I think I remind her of my father (her ex). That's not normally the basis of our arguments, though. Not unless she starts trashing him and I defend him, since he is my father. He's not a deadbeat I see him regularly and he pays my mother support even though she and my step dad make 5 times what he my step mom make.

EDIT: BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL that she reminds me of the girl that I posted about in another thread. There's just no way. She's calm, gentle, loving...

Whether or not it's the basis of your argument she obviously feels intimidated by what she considers to be your intellectualism. Perhaps that was part of the friction in their marriage. That's normal human behavior. You seem to lack perspective, do not throw out my suggestion out of fear of some type of oedipal complex. Your mother is calm, gentle, and loving just not all the time to you....perhaps... my point is that the spirit of what you love in that girl also exists within your mother in some way.... consider her affection and nurturing of you as a child... this was a woman who spent literally years of her life nurturing and caring for you... In a way what you desire from the unrequited love you posted earlier...

Your mother will always love you no matter how poorly you treat her... that obviously does not mean you should treat her poorly.
 

LordMaul

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"you know Im not looking forwad to spending time with you in waterloo, christ"

Your name is Christ?

:Q:D
 

Alphathree33

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Originally posted by: LordMaul
"you know Im not looking forwad to spending time with you in waterloo, christ"

Your name is Christ?

:Q:D

Hmm, sure looks like it is, doesn't it? And I'm an atheist! What does that tell you?
 

Alphathree33

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she obviously feels intimidated by what she considers to be your intellectualism. Perhaps that was part of the friction in their marriage. That's normal human behavior. You seem to lack perspective, do not throw out my suggestion out of fear of some type of oedipal complex. Your mother is calm, gentle, and loving just not all the time to you....perhaps... my point is that the spirit of what you love in that girl also exists within your mother in some way.... consider her affection and nurturing of you as a child... this was a woman who spent literally years of her life nurturing and caring for you... In a way what you desire from the unrequited love you posted earlier...

Your mother will always love you no matter how poorly you treat her... that obviously does not mean you should treat her poorly.

They may have a few similar traits. And they do get along really well. BUT MOSTLY THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. They do, however, do really silly stuff like she tries my mother's hand cream and my mother bought her a gift when she went to hawaii. It's kinda funny. :)

EDIT: None the less, if she knew my mother like I do, she would see how artificial and self centered she is. This girl is not like that at all.
 

Alphathree33

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Well, I knew this would all work out because now she's making me lunch. Elapsed time less than 30 minutes.

I can't wait to move to waterloo. (She was, by the way, referring to us going up for an orientation day on monday)
 

djheater

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33


They may have a few similar traits. And they do get along really well. BUT MOSTLY THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. They do, however, do really silly stuff like she tries my mother's hand cream and my mother bought her a gift when she went to hawaii. It's kinda funny. :)

You're TOTALLY MISSING MY POINT... perhaps it's intentional. Look, you have expressed the capacity for compassionate love... so by extension you could conceivably apply that capacity in your relationship to your mother. That's all. It's not a big deal. Even John Wayne loved his mother... there's no reason you shouldn't, and attempt to act lovingly towards her.

I spent years resenting my parents for not being what I thought they should be. In retrospect that was time wasted that I should have been loving them... if only for my own spiritual wellbeing. If you're so smart don't fall into the cliched resentments of young-adulthood. Endeavor to be a better person than your peers...
 

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Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
No offense, but that sounds kind of messed up.

There's nothing like an opportunity to critisize the way someone thinks when they're angry. :) It's usually messed up.
And do you think that the average Mom (or most anyone else, for that matter) can separate criticism of the way they think from criticism of them as a person during a heated discussion?

<<After about five minutes of her blabbing on about how wonderful she is and how much of a jerk I am, I started being very flippant. (I actually wasnt just ACTING calm, I WAS/AM very calm as this is such a common occurance that arguments are like eating soup for me.)

She said
"you know Im not looking forwad to spending time with you in waterloo, christ"
and I said "well, I'm not exactly looking forward to you yelling at me there either, you know"
to which she responded something along the lines of Im the one who 'makes' her yell at me>>

You and your Mom have some issues/problems deeper than this particular argument, and I really hope the two of you can work them out.


 

Alphathree33

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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Alphathree33


They may have a few similar traits. And they do get along really well. BUT MOSTLY THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. They do, however, do really silly stuff like she tries my mother's hand cream and my mother bought her a gift when she went to hawaii. It's kinda funny. :)

You're TOTALLY MISSING MY POINT... perhaps it's intentional. Look, you have expressed the capacity for compassionate love... so by extension you could conceivably apply that capacity in your relationship to your mother. That's all. It's not a big deal. Even John Wayne loved his mother... there's no reason you shouldn't, and attempt to act lovingly towards her.

I spent years resenting my parents for not being what I thought they should be. In retrospect that was time wasted that I should have been loving them... if only for my own spiritual wellbeing. If you're so smart don't fall into the cliched resentments of young-adulthood. Endeavor to be a better person than your peers...

I don't think I missed your point. It's just that none of this will change overnight. And once I'm not living with her, I will never go back. So I don't really care.

I never claimed to be smart. I just said I applied the logic/experiment idea because I knew it would anger her. I was testing boundaries that I hadn't tested before.

The way my peers treat their parents scares me. They are subordinate to them. That scares me. Children at a very young age begin to have independent thoughts. I know some kids, girls especially, 18 and 19 years old still asking their parents if they can go out, when they can go out, who they can go out with.