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glenn1

Lifer
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conservatives love being the victim.

I don't think it's a matter of victimhood at all. If I had political opinion A then I think it does you a disservice to try to keep away people with differing political opinion B. First of all doing this creates an LA gang like atmosphere of "no go" areas for one side or the other which is unhealthy in itself. Isolating yourself from other opinions you disagree with may seem comforting and a no-brainer but arguments benefit from facing resistance the same way muscles do and atrophy the same way when left sedentary. Plus rejecting someone because of their opinions is IMHO a jerk move, it was when Biden was asked not to come to a bakery a few years again, it was when the Trump staffer was asked to leave a restaurant, etc. Merely feeding a paying customer doesn't mean you agree with their opinions. This isn't the same thing as inviting your political opponent to your wedding or bar mitzvah, it's letting them eat your delicious food product. Heck, you don't even need to talk to them while eating if you prefer.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Lol, its not a matter of victimhood?

War on Christmas
War on Christians
Illegals are rapists, murderers, and gang members
Muslim terrorists
War on terror
Evil progressives
Reverse racism
They will not replace us
Don't tread on me
Gun grabbers
Stealing our jobs
Too many regulations

On and on and on...


Yeah its not victimhood at all./s If you guys were any bigger victims, trump would be grabbing you by your pussy.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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I don't think it's a matter of victimhood at all. If I had political opinion A then I think it does you a disservice to try to keep away people with differing political opinion B. First of all doing this creates an LA gang like atmosphere of "no go" areas for one side or the other which is unhealthy in itself. Isolating yourself from other opinions you disagree with may seem comforting and a no-brainer but arguments benefit from facing resistance the same way muscles do and atrophy the same way when left sedentary. Plus rejecting someone because of their opinions is IMHO a jerk move, it was when Biden was asked not to come to a bakery a few years again, it was when the Trump staffer was asked to leave a restaurant, etc. Merely feeding a paying customer doesn't mean you agree with their opinions. This isn't the same thing as inviting your political opponent to your wedding or bar mitzvah, it's letting them eat your delicious food product. Heck, you don't even need to talk to them while eating if you prefer.
Exactly, it's like working out the brain. That's why I love this leftist echo chamber, helps keep my blade sharp. You'd be surprised how many people I debate in person who have considered switching parties (and probably do later) after a debate with me. Thanks ATPN!
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Exactly, it's like working out the brain. That's why I love this leftist echo chamber, helps keep my blade sharp. You'd be surprised how many people I debate in person who have considered switching parties (and probably do later) after a debate with me. Thanks ATPN!
Congratulating yourself, how Trump like.
 
Nov 25, 2013
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Exactly, it's like working out the brain. That's why I love this leftist echo chamber, helps keep my blade sharp. You'd be surprised how many people I debate in person who have considered switching parties (and probably do later) after a debate with me. Thanks ATPN!

Yes, it really does look sharp. Don't cut yourself.

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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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No, not accusing you of attending, but that this is the reality that, anyone who is paying attention, understands. You are assumed to be aware of these facts because it is assumed that you choose to know what is going on, but of course I could be wrong about that.

I'm not telling you to get on any bandwagon: I'm merely pointing out that, after 3 years of seemingly ignoring the endless calls for violence from the fat fucking toad himself and his followers, over and over and over again, you choose to call out liberals for actually deciding to respond in kind, on occasion.
No, no I didn't. I made a simple declarative statement that applies to just about everyone.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
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Oct 9, 1999
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True civility vs. false civility redux:

The other night I went with my friends Bill and Bonnie to a play one of their daughters was in. They've been married nearly 50 years now, and remain that rarest of couples, each an absolutely strong individual in their own right. I feel honored to count this transcendentally talented family amongst my closest friends.

On the way into Philly, the talk turned to this BS "false civility" idea being put forward by the righties to shut us up re: the ugly reality of Trumpism. Bonnie said she'd send me a couple of incidents she had been moved to write about re: this topic.

Here below is one, wherein an ignorant righty on Facebook responded to her appreciation of Barack Obama by calling her, among other things, a f*cking c*unt, a white bitch, a f*cking redneck, and a f*cking bastard (he wasn't that bright regarding gender roles), all while wishing her death and confidently predicting she'd go straight to hell. Needless to say, he offered no substance, just abuse:

A year ago, I had written on facebook that President Obama was the finest President of my lifetime and that I was 67 years old.

Antonios succinctly commented on my post. He was not in agreement with me. I wrote back the following:

Dear Antonios, Yes, wise and beautiful woman I am, as I am a woman and possessed of all the typical female anatomy. And yes again. I do fuck. I am in a committed marriage for 47 years and that marriage has produced children. So yes, the evidence is in. I do fuck. I hope that you are able to engage in fucking too. It is great and even good for your health and sense of well being. Also it is a great pleasure.

I am caucasian and I do have a red neck as I spend at least one hour a day gardening. Thank you for your keen observation.

On Two counts, though, I will have to disagree. I am not a bastard. I was born in the fifth year of my parents 62 yr marriage. I can put your mind to rest on the issue of my lineage.

Finally, I am not going to hell. I am also not going to heaven. I see no evidence of either existing as a place to go to beyond the grave. People seem to die and breakdown into the components of earth. I do see evidence of heaven and hell here on earth, though.

My beloved brother is rapidly dying of cancer. This could feel like being in hell. My sister, my sister-in-law, my niece, my husband, brother-in-law, and my children all have come, or called. Gary is loved and he loves us - full out, no question. So, this feels like I am in heaven, being surrounded by loving and supporting family and friends when one of us is dying. i hope that you are in heaven too....that your life is full of love and support.

Best to you, Bonnie
Bonnie has a steely grace about her I confess I do not always possess. I am proud to have her as a friend.

Here is the other incident she wrote about and then sent me:

Yesterday as I was sitting the Muse Gallery, I heard an altercation going on across the street. I saw that there were two hubs of activity. One was an African American man who was standing near a car parked a askew across Cuthbert Street. Nearby was a woman trying to get him to come into the store for his own safety. The other was an older European American man who was loudly saying that he wanted the police called.

I walked over to the African American man and asked what was going on? He began to answer but was over spoken by a European American woman who wanted to explain. I redirected my question back to the man. He calmly explained that his friend had stopped the car to deliver some goods to the Meadowsweet store and this man came up and started yelling and threatening his female friend.

I walked the 40 feet and asked the other man what was the problem? He yelled that he was afraid of the first man and that the car was blocking his entrance to Cuthbert St. He said he was a long term resident, a filmmaker…he called the man rude names.

As we walked toward the man with the car, the abusive man's language continued. I asked him to calm down. He did not. I said to him that he had been drinking. That I could smell it on his breath. He denied it. As we approached the first man, I asked the second what he thought would be a good solution to the problem. He continued to call the first man and me names. As we got back to the oddly parked car, I saw that it was across the street in such a way as to only allow an 8” passageway. I asked if the car could be moved back. The younger man said he did not have the keys. The car was his friend’s. She would be out soon. He was always polite and soft spoken.

The older man continued to loudly berate me and the young man. At one point he came very close to me, maybe 7” from my face, clearly attempting to back me away. I merely stood where I was, continuing to look him in the eye. He resumed an appropriate distance. A few minutes later, he squeezed through the opening toward home but came back again. Now I was between both men. The older man started yelling again and making rude comments. I told him that he needed to calm himself down. More yelling, so I turned my back on him.

The driver came out of Meadowsweet. Both got into the car and began to drive away. The young man looked at me an mouthed “Thank You”.

The initial problem was an inappropriate parking job that left too small an entranceway onto a public street. The second problem was a citizen whose initial response was aggression and verbal threat. The problem moved from getting the car repacked to handling the person who was out of control. The most egregious problem was averted…that of calling the police and inviting a whole additional layer of trouble.

When the Starbucks incident happened, I hear the Chief of Police say afterwards that people need to speak to each other and try diligently to resolve the problems themselves rather than to call the police into the scene. I take that advice seriously.
If courage is grace under fire, then Bonnie is a shining exemplar of it. This is true "civility" in action!
 
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True civility vs. false civility redux:

The other night I went with my friends Bill and Bonnie to a play one of their daughters was in. They've been married nearly 50 years now, and remain that rarest of couples, each an absolutely strong individual in their own right. I feel honored to count this transcendentally talented family amongst my closest friends.

On the way into Philly, the talk turned to this BS "false civility" idea being put forward by the righties to shut us up re: the ugly reality of Trumpism. Bonnie said she'd send me a couple of incidents she had been moved to write about re: this topic.

Here below is one, wherein an ignorant righty on Facebook responded to her appreciation of Barack Obama by calling her, among other things, a f*cking c*unt, a white bitch, a f*cking redneck, and a f*cking bastard (he wasn't that bright regarding gender roles), all while wishing her death and confidently predicting she'd go straight to hell. Needless to say, he offered no substance, just abuse:

Bonnie has a steely grace about her I confess I do not always possess. I am proud to have her as a friend.

Here is the other incident she wrote about and then sent me:

If courage is grace under fire, then Bonnie is a shining exemplar of it. This is true "civility" in action!

here are a few thousand more 'likes'.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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As a conservative poster stated in a thread yesterday, this is war and I agree. The violence is coming and if you don't pick a side, it'll be picked for you.

Werner Twertzog‏ @WernerTwertzog

Dear America: You are waking up, as Germany once did, to the awareness that 1/3 of your people would kill another 1/3, while 1/3 watches.


The indifference of good men.

8:41 AM - 23 Aug 2017

I don't think we are there yet but we are starting to move in that direction. I'm learning how to fire weapons for the first time so I can be prepared.