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Through the app store was the worst idea ever conceived. So many headaches getting about 1 in 15 systems to update and of those, some flat out refuse to apply the update even after gaining visibility within the app store requiring a reload of the OS.
 
The app store was a good idea, but it was executed in the wrong way.

I'm glad they are focusing on making the next operating system and I hope it is a lot better than the one they have now.
 
Through the app store was a kludgey hack borne out of necessity.

I don't know why people are so worked-up about today's update. It's smaller in scale than 8.1 U1. Previous Windows have had rather substantial updates (Service Packs) come through Windows Update. And the practice of updating a lot of stuff--not just critical bug fixes--became the norm starting in 8.0. Each month would have a bundle of updates that in previous versions of Windows would've been accessible only via private QFEs. The way Windows is updated doesn't change today. It changed a while ago, and today is just another reaffirmation of that change.
 
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It means that Microsoft can iterate at a much faster pace to bring new functionality to end users at the desktop instead of having to try and incorporate these updates into the larger OS and then get all that put together and tested as a service pack or incremental update.
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MS must really hate their enterprise customers. If they don't bundle these non-security OS updates into a tagged bundle, how are enterprise customers supposed to test and qualify their in-house apps against? Now they have to track individual update KBs that have been applied to various client boxes? What a nightmare!
 
See, I read this article about the guy behind 8 getting kicked out (Sinofsky), now I read about Microsoft wanting the almighty Store running Windows from 9 on out.

Either Microsoft still doesn't get it, or I'm a weirdo (hint, the Start screen wasn't the only thing wrong with 8).
 
ketchup79 said:
See, I read this article about the guy behind 8 getting kicked out (Sinofsky), now I read about Microsoft wanting the almighty Store running Windows from 9 on out.

Either Microsoft still doesn't get it, or I'm a weirdo (hint, the Start screen wasn't the only thing wrong with 8).
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I don't really mind the Store. Nobody's forcing me to use it. I can get all my desktop apps just fine the good-old-way, and I never use Metro except on my tablet. So what do I care if there's a Store?

The Store as a vehicle for the 8.1 upgrade was a special case (see my earlier post) resulting from the limitations of WU. It's a one-off thing: nothing to get excited over.

And, frankly, while *I* would never use the Store, I like the idea of my parents using the Store--it's a safe place for them to get software without me fretting over whether they'll end up getting something that hoses their system.
 
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Ditto. Let's hope the current CEO has the sense to go back to a common sense interface.
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I never understand this,not like any modern Windows is hard to use,mouse click here or there and you are done.

I would like to see a whole new GUI however down the road and not a rehash of Win95 to Win7,had that for far too long IMHO.

As to updates etc they really need to stay in one place,having some on Windows Update and others in Store is not efficient.

🙂
 
VirtualLarry said:
MS must really hate their enterprise customers. If they don't bundle these non-security OS updates into a tagged bundle, how are enterprise customers supposed to test and qualify their in-house apps against? Now they have to track individual update KBs that have been applied to various client boxes? What a nightmare!
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Exerting their vision of an OS and the internet takes precedence for them over fixing issues that enterprise customers go through daily. One of our biggest clients is probably 500-1000 heads and we deployed 8.1 stupidly. The reason it was stupid is because they use a payroll software that relies on IE and Java, and do you realize the headaches caused by forcing IE11 without a way to downgrade? I was hopeful that Enterprise mode in Update 1 would alleviate these but all it does is slow the browser down. It wasn't my choice to pull the trigger on 8.1, and I feel bad for the users going through all of the glitches because the payroll firm is lazy and Microsoft wishes to push its way onto everybody. This is not to mention also that 8 broke compatibility with a lot of proprietary hardware such as data collectors and analyzers :colbert:
 
Need old software? Virtualize an old OS. Stop complaining that a new OS doesn't run ancient kludgy software. We need to let go of some baggage so Windows can actually move along - look at how much progress Android has made by having zero baggage, how much OS X has advanced by saying "to heck with classic Mac OS" when OS X came out (minus a couple weird, slow emulators that they threw out at the right time before anyone got too attached)...

Edit: Also, to the original article: finally!
 
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PliotronX said:
Exerting their vision of an OS and the internet takes precedence for them over fixing issues that enterprise customers go through daily. One of our biggest clients is probably 500-1000 heads and we deployed 8.1 stupidly. The reason it was stupid is because they use a payroll software that relies on IE and Java, and do you realize the headaches caused by forcing IE11 without a way to downgrade? I was hopeful that Enterprise mode in Update 1 would alleviate these but all it does is slow the browser down. It wasn't my choice to pull the trigger on 8.1, and I feel bad for the users going through all of the glitches because the payroll firm is lazy and Microsoft wishes to push its way onto everybody. This is not to mention also that 8 broke compatibility with a lot of proprietary hardware such as data collectors and analyzers :colbert:
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i am hoping that rapid OS development/updates [and i am not a developer of any kind, btw] will force people to update software more often for all systems as time moves on. i hope there can be an easy way to do this, but as not-a-developer i just dont know.

i am a server admin for a manufacturing company, and desktop support for admin staff is easy...8.1 update and everyone is happy, the few web apps they use that need attention just need compatibility mode or a pop up exception. even older software we require works fine.

but the manufacturing control pcs and some of our access databases are old....getting the software updated for those systems overall is going to be hard or impossible, since the manufacturing equipment will run longer than any pc or OS i may deploy. EOL support on the software/equipment doesnt mean we get new equipment. if the hardware can run another 5 or 10 year, it runs. replacing a plant full of equipment is expensive. so...we get to roll out windows 7 pcs, to replace XP pcs, but they still have to run the old, old OLD vb6 apps to control the manufacturing process.

some of the systems have had some software updates or will support windows 7. but not many. there are 2 or 3 things we will have to keep an XP machine for, i expect, either because an update to software/hardware is not available, or because itll cost a small fortune to replace so nobody is going to consider budgeting for it until it breaks.

/overall a good gig, but, old shit sucks.
//mostly love 8.1u
 
Make VMs of those computers right now, before they break. Seriously. I work in automation, and am attempting to reconstruct an undocumented XP PC that went belly-up three weeks ago responsible for running half a factory. It is hell.
 
VirtualLarry said:
MS must really hate their enterprise customers. If they don't bundle these non-security OS updates into a tagged bundle, how are enterprise customers supposed to test and qualify their in-house apps against? Now they have to track individual update KBs that have been applied to various client boxes? What a nightmare!
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They've always had to track KB articles, except any org running a bunch of Windows boxes will be running WSUS, forcing machines to auto-install by pushing down a group policy, and then approving KB articles manually after they test them.

I think what the article is saying is that instead of getting 3 years between OSes, you'll get a year. If you look back, XP SP2 and 3 were massive OS changes, not bundles of updates.
 
Mem said:
I never understand this,not like any modern Windows is hard to use,mouse click here or there and you are done.

I would like to see a whole new GUI however down the road and not a rehash of Win95 to Win7,had that for far too long IMHO.

As to updates etc they really need to stay in one place,having some on Windows Update and others in Store is not efficient.

🙂
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What if a new version of windows costs money? Do you really want to see a "insert payment info" in good old wuapp? I think it makes sense in the store, given most people will never touch wuapp anyway.

(as an edit, see OSX's implementation - all updates go through the store actually - app and OS together. A new version of OSX is found in the store as well.)
 
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