The US is in desperate need of several Constitutional amendments! Stop executive and judicial legislation!

[Deleted member 4644]

The United States of America is in desperate need of Constitutional Amendments which can save our Government from self-destruction and tyranny.

Within the last several years, we have witnessed several acts of executive and judicial excess which threaten the core values this nation was founded to protect. For example,

U.S. citizens have been deprived of basic rights and imprisoned without evidence which could convict them in a regular court (on charges of terrorism),

The President has invaded two nations with the full military force of our country without a declaration of war,

The Federal Government does effectively nothing to protect the borders of this nation from infiltration and terror,

Freedom of information is extremely poor,

Hacking and other crimes against privacy are rampant,

And other crimes against this nation and its laws have occurred.

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Does anyone agree that Congressional action alone is not enough to save us from these evils?

PS- this is not a debate about the value of the Iraq war or immigration, but rather about the duty of the government to SUBORDINATE itself to the RULE OF LAW and rule by the PEOPLE.

PPS- I?m sure you can think of other good examples of these excesses, please post them!

 

[datalink7]

"Hacking and other crimes against privacy are rampant"

huh? And this is somehow the fault of "executive and judicial legislation"?

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: datalink7
"Hacking and other crimes against privacy are rampant"

huh? And this is somehow the fault of "executive and judicial legislation"?

Err ok maybe not that one... I'm tired, it's late, and I have finals tomorrow.. and I just got hacked

 

[dpm]

You say "The President has invaded two nations with the full military force of our country without a declaration of war,".

Out of interest, when was the last time there was a declaration of war?

 

[NesuD]

WWII so it looks like Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, RMN, GHWB, and GWB All were wartime Presidents without a declaration of war.

Side note: Ike and RMN Inherited their wars from previous admins Ikes ended 6 months into his presidency.

 

[dmcowen674]

Well Technically since there is always a War going on somewhere in the world the U.S. is always at War.

Isn't that in the Constitution now, must've already added that Amendment.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What type of admendments are you proposing

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
The United States of America is in desperate need of Constitutional Amendments which can save our Government from self-destruction and tyranny.

Within the last several years, we have witnessed several acts of executive and judicial excess which threaten the core values this nation was founded to protect. For example,

U.S. citizens have been deprived of basic rights and imprisoned without evidence which could convict them in a regular court (on charges of terrorism),

The President has invaded two nations with the full military force of our country without a declaration of war,

The Federal Government does effectively nothing to protect the borders of this nation from infiltration and terror,

Freedom of information is extremely poor,

Hacking and other crimes against privacy are rampant,

And other crimes against this nation and its laws have occurred.

----------------- -------------------- ------------------

Does anyone agree that Congressional action alone is not enough to save us from these evils?

PS- this is not a debate about the value of the Iraq war or immigration, but rather about the duty of the government to SUBORDINATE itself to the RULE OF LAW and rule by the PEOPLE.

PPS- I?m sure you can think of other good examples of these excesses, please post them!

in the case of afghanistan when we were going after the terrorists [and all that harbored them] how were we supposed to declare war? since the terrorists have no government of country, how do we write that declaration of war?

i will agree on the poor protection of the borders, but its always been like that, and it really needs to be changed NOW. not in the next presidency or 2 more presidencies down the line, NOW, with this president.

the freedom of information is actually very good in this country. could you present me with examples of what you really mean, im sure that im just misinterpreting you.

and no matter what you do, there are always going to be cyber-crimes. the fed cant help us there more than they already have.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

All at once, he complaining that the government does too much and too little. If they sealed off the borders, this clown would be here talking about the tyranny of our government closing the borders.

Take a deep breath, go get a smoothie, call your girlfirend up and invite her over for dinner, barbeque some New York Strips, serve with baked potatoes, and watch 24 together. Things are gonna be okay.

 

[daniel1113]

The government just can't win with people like this... damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[MadRat]

We had a formal declaration from Congress for Gulf War I to be considered a legitimate war. The U.S. and the coalition remained at war with Iraq up until the ouster of Saddam Hussein. The unconditional surrender of the Iraqi's after hostilities ended Gulf War I was not a formal end to the war, but rather a signatory agreement to stop military action.

 

[glenn1]

The US is in desperate need of several Constitutional amendments! Stop executive and judicial legislation!

Hell, we barely use some of them as it is. We can't even get the government to stop ignoring the Tenth Amendment, and that one was in the original Bill of Rights. That being said, what makes you think they'd pay attention to your proposed new Amendments 28, 29, 30, etc.?

 

[Witling]

MadRat, IMO, you're wrong. The last formal declaration of war was WW II. Check out Rightly divining the truth.

 

[MadRat]

A formal declaration accepting action and a formal declaration of war are not the same, but they bear the same outcome.

 

[Witling]

Nice post, MadRat. I don't know what it means but it did make me check my source. No declared war since WW II. Perhaps you could elaborate a little on your previous post to make your point clear

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Take a deep breath, go get a smoothie, call your girlfirend up and invite her over for dinner, barbeque some New York Strips, serve with baked potatoes, and watch 24 together. Things are gonna be okay.

Awwwwww yeah.

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: MadRat
We had a formal declaration from Congress for Gulf War I to be considered a legitimate war. The U.S. and the coalition remained at war with Iraq up until the ouster of Saddam Hussein. The unconditional surrender of the Iraqi's after hostilities ended Gulf War I was not a formal end to the war, but rather a signatory agreement to stop military action.

We DID NOT! have a Declaration of war from Congress for Gulf war 1. We had a resolution from congress declaring their support for the presidents decision to order military action against Iraq. Pretty much the ame thing this congress did for the current war in Iraq.

 

[EXman]

ok I have to agree with you I do not want the Courts to legislate. But the Prez is acting on what needs to be done right away. If everything goes to the House and senate we'd get nothing done . The government is self serving each branch thinks they are all powerful

I think your arguements really stink btw...

 

[Witling]

EXman, your previous post "ok I have to agree with you I do not want the Courts to legislate. But the Prez is acting on what needs to be done right away. If everything goes to the House and senate we'd get nothing done . The government is self serving each branch thinks they are all powerful."

Is pretty frightening. Yes, the President can act much faster than Congress. But do you want to be your future on the President always making the right decision? I personally happen to think that collective wisdom is almost always superior to individual wisdom. Apparently other people do too, they gave the President a cabinet.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: NesuD
We DID NOT! have a Declaration of war from Congress for Gulf war 1. We had a resolution from congress declaring their support for the presidents decision to order military action against Iraq. Pretty much the ame thing this congress did for the current war in Iraq.

Well, duh!

Originally posted by: MadRat
A formal declaration accepting action and a formal declaration of war are not the same, but they bear the same outcome.

 

[Dragnov]

Within the last several years, we have witnessed several acts of executive and judicial excess which threaten the core values this nation was founded to protect

The judicial branch actually has absolutely no power. If President/Congress/People don't find the decision legitimate, theres nothing the judicial branch can do. President controls the amry, Congress controls the purse and legislation, the judicial branch.. uhhhhhh. Old guys coming to beat you up?

U.S. citizens have been deprived of basic rights and imprisoned without evidence which could convict them in a regular court (on charges of terrorism)

Pales in comparison to what the great President Franklin Delano Roosevelt did... how come no one shouting bloody murder about him?

The President has invaded two nations with the full military force of our country without a declaration of war

Congress allowed this...

The Federal Government does effectively nothing to protect the borders of this nation from infiltration and terror

Er... no real effective way to do that. Would need a massive amount of manpower and money. Would become more like Stalin Russia, where everyone is spying on each other...

Freedom of information is extremely poor,

The internet has an abundant amount of information.

Does anyone agree that Congressional action alone is not enough to save us from these evils?

Save us from what evils? Congress is the one that enacts legislation and is the one to approve/disaprove whatever the President may think of...