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The US is an Oligarchy! Its Bernie or Bust people!

mysticjbyrd

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In reality, there is one party, the corproatist party! Those are the people the US politicians represent.

Our democracy is dead, we live in an Oligarchy!

"The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy," they write, "while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence."


Still not convinced? Here is President Jimmy Carter telling you the truth!


Here is Bernie Sanders, a man who has been in politics for decades, telling you how the legislative actually branch works! It's a total myth that Democrats and Republicans hate each other! That isn't why things the people want don't get done!


Here is Bernie further explaining the system as it stands, and attacking SHillary for the corporate shill she truly is. Here is another from Bernie attacking Shillary.


One core problem is that the establishment has very successfully divided the US population, and created an adversarial relationship among the separate halves. As Bernie says, they use the media to propagate this myth that the two sides hate one another. They have use bicker over pointless issues, gay marriage, gun legislation, etc.. It's a puppet show for the population at large, and while we are all watching the puppet show, we completely forget about the puppeteer behind the scenes that's really in control.

There is a great quote from a movie I saw a few years ago, the usual suspects, and I think it accurately and adequately illustrates the current situation.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that... he is gone.
What people need to understand most of all is that the enemy of my enemy is not your friend! For decades now, we as a people have been voting the lesser of two evils, and this is responsible for creating the current system!

As a general rule,
The republican candidates aren't conservative!
The democratic candidates aren't progressive!

There are exceptions to these rules of course, Elizabeth Warren and Ron Paul, for instance, but they are quite rare. There isn't a right left dichotomy anymore! There is only right, and slightly further right on issues that matter.


As for a solution, well there isn't one, at least not a good one. We essentially need to elect Bernie Sanders, and then hope several of the corrupt supreme court justices die, or retire, so they can be replaced. Heck, even that is only a start. However, if that fails, and anyone else becomes POTUS, then any hint of our remaining democracy will be gone.
 
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I agree with most of what you said. I do think Hillary would give us mostly good USSC justices, though.
 
If to you it's not a democracy unless we institute Bernie's Great Leap Forward redistribution plan, then I guess thank goodness we're not a democracy any more.
 
I'm all for loading up the sniper rounds.

You shoot first, I will go second.

If to you it's not a democracy unless we institute Bernie's Great Leap Forward redistribution plan, then I guess thank goodness we're not a democracy any more.
You might need to look up the word democracy.

The real irony though is that wealth has been massively redistributed to the top for decades, which is another root of the problem.

I agree with most of what you said. I do think Hillary would give us mostly good USSC justices, though.

In your dreams maybe. Shillary isn't about to tip over her cash cow.
 
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You shoot first, I will go second.


You might need to look up the word democracy.



In your dreams maybe. Shillary isn't about to tip over her cash cow.

Just because other taxpayers aren't paying for all the benefits you feel that you deserve, does not make it an oligarchy. Once you mature past your teens you'll realize government isn't Santa Claus.
 
You might want to look up the words oligarchy and economy as well, and then try to differentiate the three.

I expect your paper on my desk by tomorrow!
 
I agree 100% with what is in OP.

The people who think Sanders is going to come in and just tax the piss out of everyone really need to read this thing called the 16th Amendment and see that a president can't just do that so it's an unfounded fear.
 
Maybe I will, just to get under your fanboy skin.

Edit: I did, go check it out!
 
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The (party) is Government.

This is what Government does. This is what Socialism and Communism do.

They work with powerful interests to limit the freedom of individuals.

Each time you rail against "corporations" or "rich people" or "the man," all you are doing is empowering Government, which is ready and willing and able to stomp on you, with an iron heeled boot.

-John
 
er, each time you rail against FREEDOM, the Government is ready and willing and able to suppress freedom.

-John
 
For someone who has such a hardon for the economy, Bernie doesn't know jack shit about how economics work.
Do you think what we call an economy right now is actually working?

House prices that are 100% driven by the monthly payment people can afford, the instant the feds raise interest rates and that monthly payment amount goes up current new owners will be upside down.

A job market that must have people consuming in either a subscription model or a panned obsolescence break and re-buy system to even stay afloat?

You can keep this 'economy'
 
I agree 100% with what is in OP.

The people who think Sanders is going to come in and just tax the piss out of everyone really need to read this thing called the 16th Amendment and see that a president can't just do that so it's an unfounded fear.

This. Even with Bernie as president there's no way in hell he could move us back to the middle even pulling far to the left. Congress has been bought out by special interests and a change in the Presidency isn't going to change anything on its own. The sticking point for voting for Bernie in my opinion is that he won't make things worse.

He won't have the power to repeal crony capitalism and corporate welfare, but he could stem the tide of some of both parties' future moves to that end, likely vetoing future free trade deals and other valentines to the rich that come at the expense of American labor. It's just a pity that those arguing against welfare for the poor, so called "freebies", don't seem to have any problem with their own party giving welfare to the rich.
 
If you want less government you're out of luck as far as both parties are concerned. Dems want more goverment and socialism for the many. Repubs want it for the few. Maybe a smart man would look at both and come to the conclusion that we can afford neither. But that choice is not on the table. No such man is running for office. The middle class is screwed. The only real choice is in which way you want to grow government. Welfare for the poor, or welfare for the rich. There is no "less government" option. Pick your poison.
 
Hard to argue with some of Bernie's points. I think he goes a little too far in some respects, but seriously, as the only honest person in the race and not beholden to banks this should be a pretty easy choice for people who can admit to themselves the reality of establishment corruption and incompetence.

Pretty amazing what his campaign has done in a matter of months, I like what I'm hearing as far as polls and love that Hillary is starting to panic. :biggrin: She should.

She can harp on getting stuff done all she wants, doesn't change that we have the Congress we have, or her status of GOP pariah of choice (after Obama maybe). I'll take my chances with the honest Independent who doesn't owe Wall Street anything.

If he's got the numbers to beat Clinton, he's got the White House.
 
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I think that if he could win the Nom, he could clobber the crap out of his GoP rival by beating them over the head with all the money they've all been bought off with. I get the feeling he has the kid gloves on with Hillary out of a fear that he could give the GoP a hammer to beat her with if she (likely) wins the nom. I almost wish she would get arrested and taken out of the race like half the people on this board want, Bernie would be a lock for the nom for sure then. But it's not happening. 🙁
 
LOL! Seriously, you guys realize you are advocating socialism, and communism. Two failed economic and social policies.

-John
 
LOL! Seriously, you guys realize you are advocating socialism, and communism. Two failed economic and social policies.

-John

Do you even have any idea what you are saying, or are you just randomly picking words out of some talk radio transcript?
 
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