The Universe

PBMangan

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Anyone seen the program on the History channel? I went and tivoed it because I'm a nerd and it looked cool. One problem: They should have named it "The Solar System." All they do is talk about the planets, and it is the same crap I've heard since high school. Gee, did you know an asteroid caused the extinction of the dinosaurs? Yeah, I saw "Armageddon" too. There's been I think 4-5 great extinctions on earth and the only one we care about is the one caused by an asteroid, because there were movies made about it.
Did you know Venus while it look similar to Earth is a living hell? Yeah, back in sixth grade in that national geographic.
 

PBMangan

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I don't want to be cut since I do l enjoy the history channel (takes up a large part of my TV schedule) I just hink by now they would have venture out of the familiar. I mean if it were called "The United States" and if they concentrated on West Virginia, wouldn't we all want to move on by episode 5?
 

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Originally posted by: PBMangan
I don't want to be cut since I do l enjoy the history channel (takes up a large part of my TV schedule) I just hink by now they would have venture out of the familiar. I mean if it were called "The United States" and if they concentrated on West Virginia, wouldn't we all want to move on by episode 5?

I think it'd be more like a pebble on the ground in Bummfuck, Arkansas. :)
 

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Because they need enough material to make an entire season that's dumbed down to the average level of their viewers (you're probably well above average) - after the solar system topics, the remaining topics are (probably)
Stars, big, little, quasars, white dwarfs, and black holes
Galaxies, ours is the milky way
Lots and lots of galaxies.
and perhaps an episode on miscellaneous: planets beyond the solar system, expansion of the universe.

Don't get me wrong - I agree with you. But, in the past few years, it's seemed that the history channels and discover channels have really watered down their content. Heck, they have absolute garbage on their masquerading as science, ie. haunted houses, dog psychics, etc.

They might mention something about the big bang, but they don't want to offend the 50% (or greater) of their viewers who don't believe in the big bang. *sigh*
 

CKent

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Science docu's on the History channel? :confused: Watch the Discovery Science Channel instead, some good stuff on there for the most part. Although at times they'll replay dated stuff such as Cosmos w/ Carl Sagan, or a docu that was on last night about the "future" Cassimi-Huygens probe which was "being built", disappointing since I've already seen an excellent docu on that mission... lol. But I guess that's what I get for being an insomniac and watching tv when almost the only stuff on is snake oil infomercials.
 

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Don't get me wrong - I agree with you. But, in the past few years, it's seemed that the history channels and discover channels have really watered down their content. Heck, they have absolute garbage on their masquerading as science, ie. haunted houses, dog psychics, etc.

They might mention something about the big bang, but they don't want to offend the 50% (or greater) of their viewers who don't believe in the big bang. *sigh*

I agree with you. Some of the shows are about conspiracies told by conspiracy nuts as well as lots of pseudoscience.
 

3NF

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Want to read an alternative theory to the formation of our galaxies, planets, etc? An idea that gravity doesn't dominate the cosmos?

Check out,
http://www.electric-universe.org/

Plenty of follow up links from there.

I don't think they are teaching this stuff in school ...

Edit:

Additionally, the following is a good forum with intelligent discussion on EU theory - intelligent in that it is proably a couple of order of magnitudes higher than what you'll find here at ATOT :)

http://www.thunderbolts.info/f...phpBB/phpBB2/index.php

 

So

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Want to read an alternative theory to the formation of our galaxies, planets, etc? An idea that gravity doesn't dominate the cosmos?

Check out,
http://www.electric-universe.org/

Plenty of follow up links from there.

I don't think they are teaching this stuff in school ...

They usually don't parrot crackpots in school for a reason...
 

3NF

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: 3NF
Want to read an alternative theory to the formation of our galaxies, planets, etc? An idea that gravity doesn't dominate the cosmos?

Check out,
http://www.electric-universe.org/

Plenty of follow up links from there.

I don't think they are teaching this stuff in school ...

They usually don't parrot crackpots in school for a reason...

You don't have a clue ... did you even read it, or do you just normally jump to conclusions without justification? All I'm providing is an alternative theory. Don't be so quick to follow the "leaders" ...

 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Because they need enough material to make an entire season that's dumbed down to the average level of their viewers (you're probably well above average) - after the solar system topics, the remaining topics are (probably)
Stars, big, little, quasars, white dwarfs, and black holes
Galaxies, ours is the milky way
Lots and lots of galaxies.
and perhaps an episode on miscellaneous: planets beyond the solar system, expansion of the universe.

Don't get me wrong - I agree with you. But, in the past few years, it's seemed that the history channels and discover channels have really watered down their content. Heck, they have absolute garbage on their masquerading as science, ie. haunted houses, dog psychics, etc.

They might mention something about the big bang, but they don't want to offend the 50% (or greater) of their viewers who don't believe in the big bang. *sigh*

There are probably plenty of people out there who don't know how the sun continues to burn, what with there being no oxygen and space and all.

I remember getting a free pass in 4th grade on the section regarding the planets. By that time, I'd memorized the orbital period, diameter, number of known moons, basic composition, and other attributes of the planets. This was apparently more than the teacher knew about the subject. I guess her knowledge of the subject was just what she was reading out of a textbook, which was also more outdated than what I'd memorized, which at the time was information from the Voyager probes.

Watering down of shows: yeah, I've seen it too. They're also playing the ratings game, trying to get ratings by playing loud, irritating "music" over a lot of the show, or setting everything up like it's a damn competition. Animal Planet: "Most Extreme this-and-that." What next, American Animal Idol? 24 Amazing Animals. Lost Animals. The Office of Animals. And keep dumbing it down: convince the populace that they're being educated, while in fact, they're being educated less and less with each passing year, to the point that it is little more than, as the OP alluded to, review of what you didn't pay attention to elementary school.



Originally posted by: 3NF
Want to read an alternative theory to the formation of our galaxies, planets, etc? An idea that gravity doesn't dominate the cosmos?

Check out,
http://www.electric-universe.org/

Plenty of follow up links from there.

I don't think they are teaching this stuff in school ...

Edit:

Additionally, the following is a good forum with intelligent discussion on EU theory - intelligent in that it is proably a couple of order of magnitudes higher than what you'll find here at ATOT :)

http://www.thunderbolts.info/f...phpBB/phpBB2/index.php
From The Electric Universe:
"Galaxies are shaped by electrical forces and form plasma focuses at their centers, which periodically eject quasars and jets of electrons."
Galaxies eject quasars? As I understand it, a quasar is a result of a huge black hole at the center of a galaxy, which results in the emission of incredible amounts of energy. Galaxies don't eject them. It'd be like saying that the Milky Way ejects galaxies from its center.

On initial glance, that stuff seems a bit suspect. Redshift is apparently not a valid way of showing that the Universe is expanding? Some of it sounds a bit wishy-washy too.
"We are not hopelessly isolated in time and space on a tiny rock, orbiting an insignificant star in an insignificant galaxy. We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe."

Aww, how sweet.



Originally posted by: 3NF
You don't have a clue ... did you even read it, or do you just normally jump to conclusions without justification? All I'm providing is an alternative theory. Don't be so quick to follow the "leaders" ...
The Flying Spaghetti Monster could also be called an "alternative theory." Do you idly dismiss our Noodly Master?
 

Fritzo

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The Universe is a series I believe, not just 1 show. They had one last week where they showed how stars work.
 
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: 3NF
You don't have a clue ... did you even read it, or do you just normally jump to conclusions without justification? All I'm providing is an alternative theory. Don't be so quick to follow the "leaders" ...
The Flying Spaghetti Monster could also be called an "alternative theory." Do you idly dismiss our Noodly Master?

Ramen!

And a :beer: for Jeff7, a man of science.
 

iamaelephant

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I've watched a few episodes of the show and really didn't like it much. I guess I was hoping for a modern version of Cosmos but The Universe is no where near that sort of quality, and there is way too much talking about how certain celestial events could cause the end of the Earth. It's too dramatic and not informative enough.
 

3NF

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
The Flying Spaghetti Monster could also be called an "alternative theory." Do you idly dismiss our Noodly Master?

Of course, why didn't I see that! There is a possibility there - let's discuss!

 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Pay them no mind, some people are still in a tizzy over Pluto being demoted.

..wasen't that decision over turned??

 

CKent

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Because they need enough material to make an entire season that's dumbed down to the average level of their viewers (you're probably well above average) - after the solar system topics, the remaining topics are (probably)
Stars, big, little, quasars, white dwarfs, and black holes
Galaxies, ours is the milky way
Lots and lots of galaxies.
and perhaps an episode on miscellaneous: planets beyond the solar system, expansion of the universe.

Don't get me wrong - I agree with you. But, in the past few years, it's seemed that the history channels and discover channels have really watered down their content. Heck, they have absolute garbage on their masquerading as science, ie. haunted houses, dog psychics, etc.

They might mention something about the big bang, but they don't want to offend the 50% (or greater) of their viewers who don't believe in the big bang. *sigh*

Agree entirely, I remember years back when the quality was much higher, and their financial success much less pronounced heh... now they have to equate any distance number with football fields (although earth circumferences is a common alternative) and any volume with olympic size swimming pools.
 

LongCoolMother

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You guys have to realize who the audience is for these shows. Not everyone is that interested in space or an expert in any given field. Sure, it'd be great if the documentaries were more in depth and not quite so dumbed down, but it's not in the History Channel's position to do that.

And no, most of the stuff they talk about in "The Universe" (I only watched the episode about the sun) is not taught in elementary school class. In fact, most of the facts presented in the episode that I watched were never taught at all, at least for me, in all my K-12 years.

I think the level of understanding required to enjoy these documentaries are quite low-- but that's the point. It's the best way to get people interested in the subject-- a good thing. It'd be a huge turn off any other way.

Think about it. If they ran a documentary on some subject you didn't have much background understanding of (ancient chinese history, for example), you'd be able to enjoy it only if it wasn't too crazy.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: 3NF
Originally posted by: Jeff7
The Flying Spaghetti Monster could also be called an "alternative theory." Do you idly dismiss our Noodly Master?

Of course, why didn't I see that! There is a possibility there - let's discuss!

Oddly, more of a possibility than the electric universe. The electric universe (or so it seemed to me after reading for about 25-30 minutes) seems to make a lot of statements which are quite easy to dismiss as being false. In fact, I found much of it painful to read - if any of my own students confused some of the physics terms that I saw misused, I'd be ashamed. Regardless, it's true that we know less about gravity than most people realize. Nonetheless, at the same time, our knowledge of the other three forces is incredible. But, the one thing I realized most: many of the believers are almost fanatical - on one of their forums, I noticed that they spent a great deal of time discussing how to argue and debate. Here's a method that works: show me that your theory makes predictions, and test those predictions. Show me that our gravitational theories are wrong based on those predictions.

edit: what does the electric universe say about CERN? How about the search for the Higgs boson?
 

BUTCH1

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Keep one thing in mind, this is the channel that gives us "Dogfights"
my fav. show!..