The UN ** MUST ** Be Reformed. The Sooner The Better.

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

The latest embarrassing action by the US has sealed that deal for me. There is no other way. The entire world can no longer sit by and be bullied by Five.

Either abolish the Security Council or the UN as a whole. If there is no other way, all of the other nations could simply resign and withdraw all of their people and funding and work towards forming something new in a new, more neutral location. Possibly in an autonomous area, maybe an island.

 

[JTsyo]

UN is much better than the alternative. The major powers of the world are not going to sign up to give up their sovereignty. The UN worked since the powers from WW2 had veto powers. Without the UN we would have seen more conflict so until there's a international organization that either has the military might to force countries to comply or has benefits that out-weigh sovereignty, this is the best we're going to get.

 

[sandorski]

The SC is kinda a POS, it made sense at the time of its' founding though.
Reform would be preferable, any attempts at something new would be very difficult. Kinda think the powers that be don't want the competition.

 

[Indus]

So you wanna give a new vetos to more dictators in Modi, MBS and almost certain former dictator Bolsanaro?

Think 5 is enough!

 

[pmv]

The UN has always been a bit of a waste-of-space.

Maybe the specialist agencies, with their experts making reasoned arguments and gathering evidence about narrowly-defined issues, serve some purpose, but the political side of it, with the massed ranks of undemocratic countries (many of them easily 'bought' by the more powerful states like the US or Russia) deciding on issues as if that represented some consensus verdict of the human race, has always been absurd.

Neither the US's constant defence of Israel via the Security Council, or, perhaps just as much, the repeated votes in the General Assembly against Israel, really mean anything much. It's all still just politics.

 

[Greenman]

The latest embarrassing action by the US has sealed that deal for me. There is no other way. The entire world can no longer sit by and be bullied by Five.

Either abolish the Security Council or the UN as a whole. If there is no other way, all of the other nations could simply resign and withdraw all of their people and funding and work towards forming something new in a new, more neutral location. Possibly in an autonomous area, maybe an island.

Since one of those five pays most of the bills, I don't see it changing.

 

[IronWing]

To be redundant:

John Bolton explained the US attitude towards the UN quite well:

"The United States makes the UN work when it wants it to work, and that is exactly the way it should be, because the only question, the only question for the United States is what is in our national interest."

Every administration has held the same position wrt the UN but some were more polite about it.

The UN works as designed.

 

[sandorski]

The UN has always been a bit of a waste-of-space.

Maybe the specialist agencies, with their experts making reasoned arguments and gathering evidence about narrowly-defined issues, serve some purpose, but the political side of it, with the massed ranks of undemocratic countries (many of them easily 'bought' by the more powerful states like the US or Russia) deciding on issues as if that represented some consensus verdict of the human race, has always been absurd.

Neither the US's constant defence of Israel via the Security Council, or, perhaps just as much, the repeated votes in the General Assembly against Israel, really mean anything much. It's all still just politics.

Just having a gathering place for all Nations gives it value.

 

[pmv]

Just having a gathering place for all Nations gives it value.

Meh, maybe, maybe in the last resort there's some value to a talking-shop, but some liberals seem to hugely over-rate it, expecting it to impose a sort of rule-of-law on global affairs that it is never going to be able achieve, or imagining that anything it can be persuaded or strong-armed into voting for must be a good and legitimate action.

The OP is dreaming if he thinks any sort of 'reform' is going to make it into something it can never be.