The ultimate expression of the modern conservative movement is ethnonationalism

[Ottonomous]

I spent a lot of time on sites like 4chan, conservative webpages on facebook thinking I was part of the new woke (i.e. redpilled) countercultural movement. Saw countless nonwhites, particularly latinos and historically oppressed whites like eastern-europeans and irishmen post ridiculous self-flagellation to placate the anglo-germanic posters. Though I'd do it because I essentially had no character.

During the trump era once a lot of non-mainstream views came to the fore I was still intrigued by the idea of modern conservatism embracing an 'egalitarian' approach to social and racial identity. They always made sure to complement their articles or posts with 'i don't care about race', 'ultimately its about competence/contribution' etc.

But its becoming more and more apparent that the biggest gripe is racial demography. I was at Sargon of Akkad's page where they were criticizing an immigrant for posting about his family's employment and contribution to Britain. It was transparent as hell. The ultimate determinant of whether you're worthy of being included in their society is European heritage. People with jobs god knows what laughing at the idea that an Emergency Medicine Physician believes she/he is contributing to society. But be white and arrive to teach english in Japan, or work a job in Africa, you're an expatriate bringing enlightenment and western values to the unwashed masses. Hell there are countless pages talking about annexing a part of Africa to build a white ethnostate

Most of the tiptoeing around race is basically in pursuit of this. At least this time Poles, Irishmen and Italians wouldn't be targeted like back in the day. A white ethnostate/utopia is the ultimate goal. There is no conservatism or conservation of a supposedly perfect society without ensuring its totally white. Nazis for instance despise capitalism, scapegoat the jews for it, not out of principle but mainly because it erodes their dominant position in society. They can't openly attack it out of fear of losing mainstream conservative support but ironically the goal would be an authoritarian socialist state that ultimately benefits whites. I remember pressuring a poster from Central Europe and he admitted this. A small-scale purely white society with socialist programs would be ideal. And that capitalism is antithetical to white nationalism

Now, people will accuse me of conflating conservatism with ethnonationalism as an attack, but I can't count the number of times I've seen right-wingers attack moderate conservatives for being lenient, cuckolds, puppets for racial demographic change, 'the jooooos" (despite the majority of people perpetrating diversity friendly policies being white, but can't let that get in the way of a racial ideology).

 

[Ottonomous]

Another thing that intrigues me, in an ethnonationalist state presumably a lot of people will not pursue individualism that goes against the benefit of the race. Women will either be incentivied or outright forced to abandon most feminist ideals, and to prioritize homemaking and childbirth to ensure birthrates go up. Conscription will most likely be a major part. Peace is a tough one, a lot of countries will be incentivized to solve their resource/financial problems by invading vulnerable ones for siphoning. White minorities particularly LGBT communities will be obliterated.

A new social hierarchy will appear where Eastern Europeans, the Irish and Mediterraneans will be considered the scuttlebutt of society, because as we all know societies particularly conservative ones constantly need groups to villify.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I mean, yeah. I thought this was known around the world? Conservatives are, by and large, racist as shit.

 

[Ottonomous]

I mean, yeah. I thought this was known around the world? Conservatives are, by and large, racist as shit.

The mask is very close to dropping though. We're between nationalism in the American sense for instance in the USA, and outright ethnonationalism.

Addendum after edit: Even moderate conservatives/centrists and the classical civic nationalists are going to be pushed aside soon

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The mask is very close to dropping though. We're between nationalism in the American sense for instance in the USA, and outright ethnonationalism.

I'm not so sure. If you look for it, there's near daily instances of 'go back to your country' attacks on US citizens that don't look white enough. It's probably more of a regional problem which is expected given the size of the US.

 

[Ottonomous]

I'm not so sure. If you look for it, there's near daily instances of 'go back to your country' attacks on US citizens that don't look white enough. It's probably more of a regional problem which is expected given the size of the US.

I am an outsider but my impression of American nationalism is 'white, anglo-saxon/germanic, christian'. Groups that have been there hundreds of years (blacks, natives, etc) aren't really representative of that image for a lot of americans. My question would be how true is this, how much of American nationalism hinges on white heritage.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I am an outsider but my impression of American nationalism is 'white, anglo-saxon/germanic, christian'. Groups that have been there hundreds of years (blacks, natives, etc) aren't really representative of that image for a lot of americans. My question would be how true is this, how much of American nationalism hinges on white heritage.

It does, to the point that the actual natives are often not considered 'real Americans'. Native central/south Americans are heavily ostracized in much of America in general, and there's a lot of animosity between Native Americans on reservations and the (typically poor, white, rural) citizens in surrounding areas. From my experience there's generally no friction between Native Americans and citizens in any other parts of the US, unless of course they aren't 'white enough' (variable depending on the person).

Most of the above has to do with how the US was built/populated/conquered by Europeans.

Note that I don't want to make this too overblown. On the whole I'd say that most people in America are not racist, or if they are they keep it to themselves. There are however, a lot that are, and that are vocal about it.

EDIT: One final point, American 'nationalism'/national identity means a lot of things to a lot of different people. To someone in rural Utah, it's probably 'white (ethnicity), free to do as I please (human rights/freedoms)'. To someone in NYC it's going to be 'melting pot (diversity breeds strength), greatest place in the world (exceptionalism)'. You'll find a hundred more from a hundred different places.