The UK is getting a little too carried away with their surveillance of public streets.

[Lucky]

"my problem is with people in general as most can't be trusted with such things as civil rights."

Jesus christ that's a scary post.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"my problem is with people in general as most can't be trusted with such things as civil rights."

Jesus christ that's a scary post.

Like I said, I'm a hell of a liberal person, but I have also seen first-hand what happens when people are given too many liberties. I already moved out of one city because it's a hell hole now with all the anti-social 'tards, and now my town (which was peaceful as could be ten years ago) is turning into a carbon copy of the city I grew up in.

I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that the problem would be much bigger were it not for things like CCTV and ASBOs. People can't be trusted, there are too many malicious and irresponsible fools to let everybody do whatever they want.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Lucky
"my problem is with people in general as most can't be trusted with such things as civil rights."

Jesus christ that's a scary post.

Like I said, I'm a hell of a liberal person, but I have also seen first-hand what happens when people are given too many liberties. I already moved out of one city because it's a hell hole now with all the anti-social 'tards, and now my town (which was peaceful as could be ten years ago) is turning into a carbon copy of the city I grew up in.

I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that the problem would be much bigger were it not for things like CCTV and ASBOs. People can't be trusted, there are too many malicious and irresponsible fools to let everybody do whatever they want.

I remember how you'd (you as in people, not a person I'm quoting specifically) say a few bad apples would ruin it for everyone, but now it seems like the majority of people are bad apples.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
I remember how you'd (you as in people, not a person I'm quoting specifically) say a few bad apples would ruin it for everyone, but now it seems like the majority of people are bad apples.

I wasn't saying that a majority of the people are anti-social delinquents, just that there's a hell of a lot of them and practically nobody is willing to help someone out when they're being mugged/robbed/raped/killed these days.

I hear about it all the time in the news and whatnot, about someone being attacked and left for dead with nobody paying any attention when they shout for help. People just do not care, so the government has to step in with silly laws and things like CCTV to try and deter criminals.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Lucky
"my problem is with people in general as most can't be trusted with such things as civil rights."

Jesus christ that's a scary post.

yeap. sad part is that many people think this way.

 

[ElFenix]

and there is the major difference between people in the US and people in the UK: people in the US don't trust government, generally, and people in the UK do (which is amazing considering how badly parliament treated people during the english civil war and commonwealth, i guess compared to the stuarts it wasn't bad, tho)

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Lucky
"my problem is with people in general as most can't be trusted with such things as civil rights."

Jesus christ that's a scary post.

yeap. sad part is that many people think this way.

What's sadder is that people are attacking the statement in this way instead of responding to my actual reasoning behind it, but I guess most of you have never been in or had friends in a situation where they have been attacked in public and nobody has cared.

Maybe you're just in denial, I don't know, but this whole freedom and liberty spiel is coming across as dogmatic from some people in this thread. It's unrealistic.

Originally posted by: ElFenix
and there is the major difference between people in the US and people in the UK: people in the US don't trust government, generally, and people in the UK do (which is amazing considering how badly parliament treated people during the english civil war and commonwealth, i guess compared to the stuarts it wasn't bad, tho)

I don't know anybody who trusts our current government, but I know a lot of people who trust a CCTV operator more than a member of the public.

 

[Anonemous]

damn so V for Vendetta was non fiction!

 

[Aharami]

if Brits dont have a problem with it, who the hell are we to complain about it?

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Aharami
if Brits dont have a problem with it, who the hell are we to complain about it?

This has my vote for best post in the thread.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
OMG, HELP!!! I'm being oppressed!!

Bloody peasant.

 

[conehead433]

Say what you want, but after some recent subway, bus bombings in London they used camera footage and were able to track down all of the perpetrators. In the US they would still be running free.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: conehead433
Say what you want, but after some recent subway, bus bombings in London they used camera footage and were able to track down all of the perpetrators. In the US they would still be running free.

Another good point.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
I am British. My city centre is full of CCTV, and let me tell you something...

If I was walking through town at 3:00am after leaving a club, looking for some food and a taxi, and some chavs came over and started getting a bit agro and trying to mug me then no member of the public would give a flying fvck. At least with CCTV everywhere I know that if anything happens to me or my friends a guy will be watching and will radio the police a few roads down to come and help.

Maybe if people actually gave a sh!t about eachother and helped eachother out when they were in trouble there would be no need for CCTV, but let's face it, they don't care in the slightest. So drop all this stupid freedom and liberty bullsh!t because I would love to hear you saying that in hospital after you got mugged and beaten to a pulp while dozens of people just ignored it.

Why don't British people help each other?

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Savij
Why don't British people help each other?

I don't know, but I've seen the same bahaviour in every country I have visited when something has happened to someone. *Shrug.*

People are just scum these days, that's it I guess.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: Amused
1984 was prophecy. Just a little later than Orwell predicted.

You often confuse me.

Why?

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Savij
Why don't British people help each other?

I don't know, but I've seen the same bahaviour in every country I have visited when something has happened to someone. *Shrug.*

People are just scum these days, that's it I guess.

"Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
I am British. My city centre is full of CCTV, and let me tell you something...

If I was walking through town at 3:00am after leaving a club, looking for some food and a taxi, and some chavs came over and started getting a bit agro and trying to mug me then no member of the public would give a flying fvck. At least with CCTV everywhere I know that if anything happens to me or my friends a guy will be watching and will radio the police a few roads down to come and help.

Maybe if people actually gave a sh!t about eachother and helped eachother out when they were in trouble there would be no need for CCTV, but let's face it, they don't care in the slightest. So drop all this stupid freedom and liberty bullsh!t because I would love to hear you saying that in hospital after you got mugged and beaten to a pulp while dozens of people just ignored it.

Why don't British people help each other?

American people don't help each other either.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: Savij
Why don't British people help each other?

I don't know, but I've seen the same bahaviour in every country I have visited when something has happened to someone. *Shrug.*
People are just scum these days, that's it I guess.

"Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men."

I would agree with that statement.

 

[bersl2]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
It might not sound like it from my previous post, but I am probably one of the most liberal people ever. There's a point where liberties don't help you though, my problem is with people in general as most can't be trusted with such things as civil rights.

As many CCTV supporters will say; You are watched by people everywhere you go, regardless of wether it's people in the street or someone watching on CCTV. The difference is that the person watching you on CCTV will do something about thieves and people looking for a fight, but you can't rely on your fellow Brit to help you anymore.

Right. If you are in a public place, you are fair game.

One question, though: What is the oversight like? I mean, there are other parties that monitor the behavior of the monitors, right? Right?

Also, are the things being shouted at individuals being recorded? I think that's only fair.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: bersl2
Right. If you are in a public place, you are fair game.

One question, though: What is the oversight like? I mean, there are other parties that monitor the behavior of the monitors, right? Right?

I'm not sure what you're asking me, there's not much the CCTV operators can do except watch and record you. It's not like they are pointing water balloons at you.

 

[bersl2]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: bersl2
Right. If you are in a public place, you are fair game.

One question, though: What is the oversight like? I mean, there are other parties that monitor the behavior of the monitors, right? Right?

I'm not sure what you're asking me, there's not much the CCTV operators can do except watch and record you. It's not like they are pointing water balloons at you.

In general, I'm referring to transparency of government. (These are run by government, correct?)

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: bersl2
In general, I'm referring to transparency of government. (These are run by government, correct?)

Yes and they're regulated, securely.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: bersl2
Right. If you are in a public place, you are fair game.

One question, though: What is the oversight like? I mean, there are other parties that monitor the behavior of the monitors, right? Right?

I'm not sure what you're asking me, there's not much the CCTV operators can do except watch and record you. It's not like they are pointing water balloons at you.

Why don't they just combine the CCTV system with commercial TV and install one in every home so that the government can help keep you safe from others, yourself, and that ever so troublesome independent thought and speech so you don't have to worry about it?

Oh wait, that sounds part of a plot to a famous book that will soon move from the fiction shelves here in the US to the British history section....

 

[jagec]

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