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The uber budget system for warcraft3

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Ok... Sorry for starting another thread.. but i just wanted to post the new layout on a new thread...
Just trying to bulid a very CHEAP system that will run Warcraft3 with no problem... he only intends to play wc3 on this machine.. nothing else... no need for hd, cd-rom and so on..

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Case: $47: ASYS 8676BW Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 450W Power Supply
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811195002

CPU: $60.50: Sempron 2200+ Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80139-R


MOBO: $58.49: MSI NF2 IGP board
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130488

RAM: $49.00: 2x256MB Corsair PC3200
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80093-21


Total: $214.99 shipped

Would i need a gpu?
if so..

GPU: $64: MSI RX9550-TD128 Radeon 9550 AGP 8X 128MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=321920

After GPU: $279 shipped total

Watcha guys think? Is there need for a videocard?.... can u think of anything cheaper and be as efficient? thx in advance 😛
 
thx yoyoyhowsdajello.. =) .. i will definately go with the 2500+ and mobo combo.... sweet deal...
seems like they dont have that good of rating on resellerratings.com..... well.. i think i'd just take the chance...
 
Dang...that's pretty hard to justify because that's just a horrible machine even for WC3. Good luck with it. I'd give it a 4/10. I can make a better budget system that would last longer and such. But good luck with it and hopefully it runs fine 🙂.
 
your motherboard is one of the most important parts of a computer well power supply also. i know your on a budget but i would spend a bit more on a motherboard can save you alot of possible problems in the long run. cheap is not always the best route to take to cheap can affect performance and stablity.
 
I ran WC3 maxed out on an AMD XP 1900+, 512 PC2100, GF4 Ti 4400 system, everything at stock. Anything much above that is probablywell into overkill.
 
Originally posted by: flipkc
Dang...that's pretty hard to justify because that's just a horrible machine even for WC3. Good luck with it. I'd give it a 4/10. I can make a better budget system that would last longer and such. But good luck with it and hopefully it runs fine 🙂.
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lol... u dont know how little it takes to run wc3.. ^^.. i've ran it in my 800mhz celeron machine...

oh yea.. yoyoyohowsdajello... i think that board from 2500 sempron combo only supports 4x agp....
 
Originally posted by: flipkc
Dang...that's pretty hard to justify because that's just a horrible machine even for WC3. Good luck with it. I'd give it a 4/10. I can make a better budget system that would last longer and such. But good luck with it and hopefully it runs fine 🙂.
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ok i'll bite, how?

edit: and at or around his dollar amount.
 
Man, WC3 is fun but it's not worth building a system around. Your friend should save some more money cuz he's eventually gonna get bored with that game and be stuck with a system that can't do anything else.
 
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Man, WC3 is fun but it's not worth building a system around. Your friend should save some more money cuz he's eventually gonna get bored with that game and be stuck with a system that can't do anything else.
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well... it's just subjective.... if he wants it... i will build it for him...
i mean... most of apps that people run and use... internet.. word processing.. or watching movies.... it can be done on it too...
he's not a hardcore gamer dat will get into HL2 or anything like that..
 
AGP 4x vs AGP 8x makes absolutely no difference in older games. The latest games like HL2, Doom3, Farcry etc. it makes less than 10% difference.
 
Originally posted by: krnxpride83
nubby question since i never done this..
can you run 8x agp based card on 4x agp slot with no problem?
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Should be fine. Most cards will say "4x/8x"
 
Originally posted by: flipkc
Dang...that's pretty hard to justify because that's just a horrible machine even for WC3. Good luck with it. I'd give it a 4/10. I can make a better budget system that would last longer and such. But good luck with it and hopefully it runs fine 🙂.
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Do you realize how retarded you sound? If you can do better for $233.33, let's see how.
 
Originally posted by: Tostada
Originally posted by: flipkc
Dang...that's pretty hard to justify because that's just a horrible machine even for WC3. Good luck with it. I'd give it a 4/10. I can make a better budget system that would last longer and such. But good luck with it and hopefully it runs fine 🙂.
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Do you realize how retarded you sound? If you can do better for $233.33, let's see how.
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thank u sir 🙂
 
In your original post in the last thread (I really don't see why you needed to make a new one), you said "my Ahtlon xp 2400.. runs it like a charm," so I doubt you've got anything to worry about here.

The system you're talking about has a generic KT333 motherboard that Outpost wants to get rid of so bad they're giving the combo to you for $10 less than they sell the Sempron 2500+ for by itself. That's an old chipset with in an undoubtedly low-grade board -- NewEgg doesn't have any KT333 boards anymore. I've seen KT333 boards just start acting weird when you run them at 166 FSB (although I'm sure they have the bugs worked out by now if that board hasn't been sitting in a warehouse for 3 years). As Shlong suggested in the last thread, the most practical thing would be to get an NF2 IGP board.

The Thoroughbred Semprons are:

Sempron 2200+ = 166 * 9 = 1500 MHz
Sempron 2500+ = 166 * 10.5 = 1750 MHz
Sempron 2600+ = 166 * 11 = 1833 MHz

I've heard of people running Sempron 2200s at 2000+ MHz on the stock heatsink, and I've never heard of anybody having trouble running them at 200 * 9 = 1800 at default voltage, so that pretty much makes the 2200+ better than the 2600+ (since the Thoroughbred core really couldn't take running at 200 FSB * 11 without a lot of help).

With an NF2 board you want to run in dual-channel if you're going to use the on-board graphics. The Sempron won't get some big boost out of running in dual-channel, but the IGP could use the bandwidth, and the NF2 will sometimes start acting strange if you enable the IGP with single-channel memory.

Anyway, I'd get:

$58.49: MSI NF2 IGP board
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130488

$60.50: Sempron 2200+ Retail
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80139-R

$49.00: 2x256MB Corsair PC3200
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80093-21

$46.99: that ASYS case
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811195002

That's $214.98.

Even if you don't overclock, that's still what I'd get. Then when he gets some more cash he can get a GF6600 or better. I just think it'd unreasonable to give someone a KT333 no matter how tight you're squeezing the budget. If you want uber-cheap get a KM400 UniChrome IGP board -- at least places are still making them and you can get a decent brand (or even get a generic one from NewEgg since they won't hassle you if you have to RMA it).

One more thing:

I truly shudder to think how this guy's 5-year-old HP hard drive performs. Those are the 10GB/platter ATA/66 days, and 7200RPM consumer drives were pretty rare and cost around $350. He's probably got a 20-40GB 5400RPM drive with quite possibly a 512KB buffer. A modern drive (any cheap 7200RPM drive with 80+ GB platters) would triple the speed of everything disk-related.
 
wow... thx a lot.. that was very helpful!...
do u still think he should be able to play wc3 with just onboard.. or should we hurry to look for a gpu?
 
Originally posted by: krnxpride83
wow... thx a lot.. that was very helpful!...
do u still think he should be able to play wc3 with just onboard.. or should we hurry to look for a gpu?
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I think he would be fine with the onboard Geforce4 MX. I would stick with that for now, if he indeed find WC3 to be choppy, it's not too late to get the 9550 at that time.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
AGP 4x vs AGP 8x makes absolutely no difference in older games. The latest games like HL2, Doom3, Farcry etc. it makes less than 10% difference.
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It will make no different AT ALL, I set my AGP to x4, and it gives me the same score for 3dmark03.
It is not the matter of the AGP speed, it's the speed of the GPU.
 
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Man, WC3 is fun but it's not worth building a system around. Your friend should save some more money cuz he's eventually gonna get bored with that game and be stuck with a system that can't do anything else.
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He's got a point. When he is done with WC3, he would be left with a system that wouldn't do anything else AT REASONABLE SPEED.
 
You were going to buy a GPU, right? That onboard IGP runs pretty well, especially when using the dual channel ram. I did a little experimenting, and that extra memory bandwidth nearly equal 2x the performance! That said, you will probably get about 4500 in 3dMark01SE, not great but decent enough. Anyway, what I was going to say was invest the $60 that you were going to spend on a vid card and buy a nice samsung spinpoint 80 gig or something. That will be another noticeable performance increase for him as he will no longer still be the last guy getting into the game.

And if the guy does get bored with WC3, there are plenty of other games that he could play with this setup, including ones like FarCry and HL2. Will they look like butt? Yes. Will they run? Yes. And if he really wants them to look better, he will buy a $120 6200 or 6600 and they will run like a champ.

Doom3 sucked, but I built a new system around it. I applaud a gamer for spending money to feed his habit! 😀

toattet, I think that you would be surprised at how much this rig CAN do, we can't all have WC'ed FX-55's, you know 😉

Nat
 
One thing that I would consider, however, is investing in a gig of ram now. It is cheap and plentiful, and would be a nice addition especially since your GPU will be sharing up to 128 megs of it.
 
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