The U.S. Federal Highway Trust Fund will go broke in 2015 - how to fix?

pete6032

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The national Federal Highway Trust Fund, which has expenditures of roughly $50 billion per year, will go broke sometime in 2015.

The fund, which relies on an 18.4 cent per gallon gas tax and has annual expenditures around $50 billion, will no longer be able to cover necessary maintenance to the nation's transportation infrastructure by next year, much less cover any new construction or expansion costs.

The federal gas tax has not been raised since 1993, and it's buying power has been slowly eroding due to inflation, increasing vehicle fuel economy, and a decreasing total of miles driven by citizens.

In order for the tax to have the same buying power as 1994, Congress would need to increase motor fuel taxes by roughly 12 cents per gallon for petrol vehicles and 15 cents per gallon for diesel vehicles. This still would not provide a long-term solution, since an increasing number of vehicles on the nation's roads are now using alternative fuel sources such as Compressed Natural Gas or Electricity, which do not contribute to the national Highway Trust Fund.

The Trust Fund is set to run out at a time when 54 percent of America's roads are rated in poor or mediocre condition, and 1 in 4 bridges is in need of critical repair or is unable to handle today's traffic. Some transportation planners have advocated creating tollways on the interestate system, however federal law has prohibited tolling existing interstate infrastructure since 1956.

Given our inevitable transition away from oil-based fuels, how should we collect money to maintain and build out our future infrastructure?
 

momeNt

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I'd be in favor of a national toll tax added to existing state toll infrastructure. So the state's will be collecting additional tax that they will give to the Fed Highway.

I know not all state's have tollways, but this would provide the necessary incentive to create or turn highways into tollways. Fed should subsidize the creation of individual state tollway authorities and eventually would get reimbursed.
 

highland145

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Reduce the mileage requirements on vehicles.

Given our inevitable transition away from oil-based fuels, how should we collect money to maintain and build out our future infrastructure?
Doubtful.
 

Ken g6

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Carbon tax. Applied at a rate to fund the entire highway trust fund, it should still be at or below the current tax rate, when applied to gasoline.
 

highland145

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Carbon tax. Applied at a rate to fund the entire highway trust fund, it should still be at or below the current tax rate, when applied to gasoline.
Can't carbon tax electric cars (?) and they're causing wear too.
 

Fern

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We had our chance with the "stimulus" to spend money on infrastructure but blew it.

Instead of giving tax rebates to electric vehicle purchases, which don't save squat on CO2 anyway, throw that money in the fund. The owners also need to pay for the roads they use. Charge them annually with their vehicle registration.

Fern
 

berzerker60

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The gas tax should pay for most road repairs, but general taxation should play a significant role too. We all benefit from having a good road system, even if we don't drive on them. Our products are cheaper because of cheaper transit costs, we're safer when police and firemen can get around better, businesses benefit and create jobs and taxes, etc.
 

Fern

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The gas tax should pay for most road repairs, but general taxation should play a significant role too. We all benefit from having a good road system, even if we don't drive on them. Our products are cheaper because of cheaper transit costs, we're safer when police and firemen can get around better, businesses benefit and create jobs and taxes, etc.

Then charge the semi's.

Why the hell do I wanna chip in and pay for the rich guy shipping his grand piano?

It should be done as a user fee, which before the 16th amendment was passed was how it was done.

Fern
 

berzerker60

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Then charge the semi's.

Why the hell do I wanna chip in and pay for the rich guy shipping his grand piano?

It should be done as a user fee, which before the 16th amendment was passed was how it was done.

Fern
I agree, if we can effectively do that. The big trucks cause WAY disproportionate damage to the roads - I think I heard damage is proportionate to the width of your axle squared or something huge like that. The trucking companies are going to throw a fit, though, so it's not going to be politically as easy as taking it from the general funds (which isn't to say that's the BEST solution, just maybe the best realistic one).
 

brycejones

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All roads should be returned to the people. Government doesn't have the right to "own" the roads. /s
 

Fern

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I agree, if we can effectively do that. The big trucks cause WAY disproportionate damage to the roads - I think I heard damage is proportionate to the width of your axle squared or something huge like that. The trucking companies are going to throw a fit, though, so it's not going to be politically as easy as taking it from the general funds (which isn't to say that's the BEST solution, just maybe the best realistic one).

The weight of the truck is what really causes damage.

They need to pay and it'll be passed on in product costs.

The free ride needs to stop for electric vehicle too.

Fern
 

shady28

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This might make some small smidgen of sense to me if the Gov't hadn't pissed away several trillion dollars over the last 5 years on Big Bank Bailouts.

Also the logic presented is just plain stupid. Taxes are based on consumption or transactions. Our GDP / transactions go up a lot faster than inflation. The reason it's an issue for them now has nothing to do with the age of a 1993/1994 tax increases - it's because the US has been consuming less gasoline over the past 5 years.

I say just print more money. It's what they are doing with everything else. We all know it will end badly. Why drag it out with tiny half-measures that primarily target the working class?
 

Fern

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This might make some small smidgen of sense to me if the Gov't hadn't pissed away several trillion dollars over the last 5 years on Big Bank Bailouts.

Also the logic presented is just plain stupid. Taxes are based on consumption or transactions. Our GDP / transactions go up a lot faster than inflation. The reason it's an issue for them now has nothing to do with the age of a 1993/1994 tax increases - it's because the US has been consuming less gasoline over the past 5 years.

I say just print more money. It's what they are doing with everything else. We all know it will end badly. Why drag it out with tiny half-measures that primarily target the working class?

You do have a point, Sir.

Fern
 

IronWing

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A tax based on miles x GVW or some reasonable variant of GVW might be a way to go. I doubt folks would be too keen of the feds collecting the tax. Maybe have the state DMVs collect the tax, withhold a portion to cover collection costs, and forward the rest to the fund.
 

Sonikku

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They expect more money to do the same work?

Starting to sound like McDonalds workers.
 

UberNeuman

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What do you buy gas for?

Fern

Wut? I dont buy no gas. We just go along and tap the tanks of cars late at night and git what we need... It don't hurt anyone... except Bill Bub, who took a load of buckshot to the head.....

\rip Bill Bub - and know you died in the name of freedom and stuff....
 

Vic

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The obvious solution is to raise the gas tax. Pay for what you use.
 

boomerang

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I say print more money too. We haven't had enough of a spine to try and solve financial problems in this nation for a long, long time so why start now? Print more money and let some future Congress worry about it. It's how things are done. Some problems are just too difficult to deal with in the here and now.
 

berzerker60

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Blew what? If stimulus helps the economy, just do it all over again. :whiste:
Stimulus helps the economy in a cost effective way in some situations. That's not the same thing as stimulus helping the economy in a cost-effective way in every situation. Shocking!!! But that's actual real-life argument put forth by human beings, instead of strawmen and projections.

More infrastructure spending would undoubtedly be hugely to America's benefit right now, though.

Anyway, we didn't "blow" anything, the stimulus was a big help to the economy, just not a silver bullet for the recession that solved all of our problems and swept us off into the sunset. I'm sure there was some waste in there too, since it was something accomplished by human beings and humans aren't perfectly efficient, but the consensus of economists seems pretty clear.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...n-the-subject/2011/08/16/gIQAThbibJ_blog.html