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The U.S. already HAS fully government funded universal health care!

PJABBER

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Give up?

" ... The Indian Health Service system, serves almost 2 million American Indians in 35 states.

.... The U.S. has an obligation, based on a 1787 agreement between tribes and the government, to provide American Indians with free health care on reservations. But that promise has not been kept. About one-third more is spent per capita on health care for felons in federal prison, according to 2005 data from the health service.

... When it comes to health and disease in Indian country, the statistics are staggering.

American Indians have an infant death rate that is 40 percent higher than the rate for whites. They are twice as likely to die from diabetes, 60 percent more likely to have a stroke, 30 percent more likely to have high blood pressure and 20 percent more likely to have heart disease.

American Indians have disproportionately high death rates from unintentional injuries and suicide, and a high prevalence of risk factors for obesity, substance abuse, sudden infant death syndrome, teenage pregnancy, liver disease and hepatitis.

... On some reservations, the oft-quoted refrain is "don't get sick after June," when the federal dollars run out. It's a sick joke, and a sad one, because it's sometimes true, especially on the poorest reservations where residents cannot afford health insurance. Officials say they have about half of what they need to operate, and patients know they must be dying or about to lose a limb to get serious care.

Wealthier tribes can supplement the federal health service budget with their own money. But poorer tribes, often those on the most remote reservations, far away from city hospitals, are stuck with grossly substandard care. The agency itself describes a "rationed health care system."

... While campaigning on Indian reservations, presidential candidate Barack Obama cited this statistic: After Haiti, men on the impoverished Pine Ridge and Rosebud Reservations in South Dakota have the lowest life expectancy in the Western Hemisphere.

... In Washington, a few lawmakers have tried to bring attention to the broken system as Congress attempts to improve health care for millions of other Americans. But tightening budgets and the relatively small size of the American Indian population have worked against them."

Read the complete article here -

Indian Health Care's Broken Promises
June 15, 2009

By Mary Clare Jalonick of the Associated Press

Indian Health Care's Broken Promises - A Current Model For Government Universal Health Care

I believe the current legislative proposals under discussion will do nothing to correct this injustice. The question is, is this the model we can expect will affect the rest of us if the Democrat plans come to be?
 
I believe the US government has been screwing Native Americans for years. This article on them being screwed on their negotiated health care doesn't shock me one bit.

And this doesn't really say how a national plan would work...
 
The amount of these type GOP poster child posts have gone crazy on many of the boards I vist, there seems to be an all out blitz to pass the FUD
 
C'mon, I thought you were up for a lively debate based on facts and real world examples! Is name calling all you've got?

😀
 
Originally posted by: PJABBER
C'mon, I thought you were up for a lively debate based on facts and real world examples! Is name calling all you've got?

😀

If that's really what you're after then you should require no help from any of us to realize why this thread is stupid.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
C'mon, I thought you were up for a lively debate based on facts and real world examples! Is name calling all you've got?

😀

If that's really what you're after then you should require no help from any of us to realize why this thread is stupid.

PJabber sure has had a hell of a start here in P&N...
 
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
C'mon, I thought you were up for a lively debate based on facts and real world examples! Is name calling all you've got?

😀

If that's really what you're after then you should require no help from any of us to realize why this thread is stupid.

PJabber sure has had a hell of a start here in P&N...

And I was just passing through a week ago on my way to posting another Hot Deal! I should invite some of my friends to back me up!

:laugh:
 
Oh wow..and a new brand new poster comes to support the 8 year old 100~ post account. Man, you sure are riling up P&N now! :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Docnasty
Once again no one has offered any counter-arguments or rebuttals.

Once again we have unoriginal neotards posting the daily contents of their FW: inbox. Fooling no one but themselves with their recently found voices. Nothing to see here but the same shit, different toilet. This is why the conservative ideology not only stalled.. but has been set back decades. The lunatic right fringe. But it's always nice to see some and "new" forum friends being made :roll:
 
No..the government has a worse track record...

Veteran health care - failure
Senior health care - failure
Congress health care - Winner!!!!! You've hit the Jackpot

Am I wrong?
 
:thumbsdown: to trivializing the US Government's treatment of Native Americans as merely an example of socialized healthcare.

This thread is one of the worst I've seen on this site. :thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
I love how the OP took 8 years to get "involved" in this forum. Reeks of troll.

Why then do you awaken me to thought and suffering by forcing me to explain the motives of my conduct ? Could you not trust that I thought anxiously, decided carefully, and from disinterested motives, not to save myself, but my child, from evil. Pray let the stream flow quietly by, as glittering on the surface as it may, and do not awaken the deep waters which are full of briny bitterness. I never wish any one to dive into the secret depths; be content, if I can render the surface safe sailing, that I do not annoy you with clouds and tempests, but turn the silvery side outward, as I ought, for God knows I would not render any living creature so miserable as I could easily be; and I would also guard myself from the sense of woe which I tie hard about, and sink low, low, out of sight and fathom line.


Mrs. Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley To Trelawny.
Brighton, Thursday, 27th January 1837
 
The OP has a point. What happens when the government runs out of money? What if, now that health care is free, everyone wants a flu shot every year? The actual cost of UHC will for sure be above whatever Congress allots to it. So when it runs out of money, does the government just start printing money? Or maybe it starts "rationing" our health care, as it already does.
 
Originally posted by: themusgrat
The OP has a point. What happens when the government runs out of money? What if, now that health care is free, everyone wants a flu shot every year? The actual cost of UHC will for sure be above whatever Congress allots to it. So when it runs out of money, does the government just start printing money? Or maybe it starts "rationing" our health care, as it already does.

To address that example:

If everyone / majority of people are on UHC, the government has negotiating power to ensure that flu shots come in at an acceptable cost and fit into budget restraints.

The power of a government negotiating rates on behalf of the entirety of the populace is a proven means to keep costs down and care up.
 
Maybe the OP's point is bad (I wouldn't know; nobody here has even tried to refute it), but pretty much every response has been a circle jerk ignoring the theme and just spunking your "Wow, he's a stupid GOP talking head." on each other.
 
I also see a problem with the government setting medicine prices. Don't get me wrong, I know there's a very few individuals making shitloads of cash off of drugs, but much, much more money goes into research for new drugs. If they lose their incentive, or even their means, to do the research they want, we'll end up saving money now and stunting our growth for later.
 
Originally posted by: themusgrat
I also see a problem with the government setting medicine prices. Don't get me wrong, I know there's a very few individuals making shitloads of cash off of drugs, but much, much more money goes into research for new drugs. If they lose their incentive, or even their means, to do the research they want, we'll end up saving money now and stunting our growth for later.

They spend far more on advertising than research. They could cut back on advertising. In fact if we outlawed advertising to the public they would have over 3 times the research budget on average.

Not to mention that most of the research they focus on perfecting is done with government funds.
 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Docnasty
Once again no one has offered any counter-arguments or rebuttals.

Once again we have unoriginal neotards posting the daily contents of their FW: inbox. Fooling no one but themselves with their recently found voices. Nothing to see here but the same shit, different toilet. This is why the conservative ideology not only stalled.. but has been set back decades. The lunatic right fringe. But it's always nice to see some and "new" forum friends being made :roll:

This - :thumbsup: Sad to say this forum (ATP&N) is as bad as I've seen it and the OP is just one of several neotard parrots dragging it down.

OP - This isn't your fucking blog. Stop posting.
 
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