The Truth About The US Economy....

bamacre

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It's not a great analogy, but it's simple enough for people to understand.

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It's amazing that so many Republicans will listen to Ron Paul/Peter Schiff after Obama is elected, because they'll probably be ignored if the Republicans get back into the Oval Office.
 
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Eh...yeah, poor analogy at beginning. If they could pull themselves up by their own bootstraps they already would have. Global trade is good for everyone, history is clear on this.

Guys, Bernanke isn't the problem, you need to be crying for Greenspan's blood. Due to the CDS connections I'm really convinced they didn't have a choice but to bail out the bigger ones. This is why giving the Fed more power to regulate would be good-- they could reign in the CDS trading and increase reserve requirements for issuing CDSs. There should not be no-reserve for CDSs on AAA securities-- those AAA securities lost their rating and then suddenly some of the guys who had been issuing these CDSs had to cover their reserve requirements.

I don't think there would be any problems if we were allowed to audit the Fed. Probably good to keep the actual financial specifics secret (if we didn't there would be too many runs on firms and banks), but we don't want another Greenspan to happen.
 

KDOG

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Scary how one of the quotes stated that foreign powers would take advantage of our poor economy for strategic gain. Its a sad day folks....
 

spittledip

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Too much freaking drama. That is one big problem with RP supporters generally speaking. I don't disagree with the message, but I do disagree with the way it is presented. Let me decide with my intellect: please keep emotionally charged drama out of it. I mean really, what is it with that John Williams-esque soundtrack on that video?? Also, the use of the word "communizing" by the OP is manipulative and makes the presentation of an important message seem divisive.

The message is true and important, but the way it is delivered is in bad taste.

 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Too much freaking drama. That is one big problem with RP supporters generally speaking. I don't disagree with the message, but I do disagree with the way it is presented. Let me decide with my intellect: please keep emotionally charged drama out of it. I mean really, what is it with that John Williams-esque soundtrack on that video?? Also, the use of the word "communizing" by the OP is manipulative and makes the presentation of an important message seem divisive.

The message is true and important, but the way it is delivered is in bad taste.

I think all the songs used were off the Dark Knight soundtrack, which is entirely Hans Zimmer works.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Too much freaking drama. That is one big problem with RP supporters generally speaking. I don't disagree with the message, but I do disagree with the way it is presented. Let me decide with my intellect: please keep emotionally charged drama out of it. I mean really, what is it with that John Williams-esque soundtrack on that video?? Also, the use of the word "communizing" by the OP is manipulative and makes the presentation of an important message seem divisive.

The message is true and important, but the way it is delivered is in bad taste.

I agree, drama is why Ron Paul is ridiculed. There's never been any drama about the birthplace of a candidate or whether or not a particular candidates baby was her own...
 
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: spittledip
Too much freaking drama. That is one big problem with RP supporters generally speaking. I don't disagree with the message, but I do disagree with the way it is presented. Let me decide with my intellect: please keep emotionally charged drama out of it. I mean really, what is it with that John Williams-esque soundtrack on that video?? Also, the use of the word "communizing" by the OP is manipulative and makes the presentation of an important message seem divisive.

The message is true and important, but the way it is delivered is in bad taste.

I agree, drama is why Ron Paul is ridiculed. There's never been any drama about the birthplace of a candidate or whether or not a particular candidates baby was her own...

Drama and emotion is what drives the majority of the population. Lowest common denominator baby. DURR!!!
 

Stunt

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The selling of US assets is a bit of a scare tactic seeing how Americans have aggressively expanded overseas for quite some time now. This is where blue chip companies like Proctor and Gamble, Coca-cola, McDonalds, etc are growing their revenues, profits and growth. One of America's greatest asset is their pro-capitalism policies that allow people to invest, take on risk and be rewarded for their innovation and opportunities. As long as the rate of return on American owned assets is greater than the rate of return of foreign owned assets; the American people as a whole will be better off and wealthier than the rest of the world. The American economy is mature, areas of growth are minimal with a total economy growing at a mere 3% annually and most markets while competitive are saturated. The rate of return is going to be significantly less but of course less risky than emerging markets overseas.

People also complain about the shipping of manufacturing jobs overseas. Little do they know that the US is producing (yes...manufacturing) more than it ever did in its history. Manufacturing output is at an all time high; what has changed is the labour required to produce those goods. Much like the farming industry, automation and improved efficiencies have allowed us to utilize a smaller workforce; this is the single biggest impact on the job losses in this sector. Most of the goods produced overseas are labour intensive, low capital investment, and low margin goods like plastic toys, clothing, etc. As a result American companies and consumers are able to consume more goods and services all with domestically owned and operated retail, distribution, r&d, and corporate offices; all producing more jobs and economic activity.

I completely agree with Ron Paul's points about inflation and monetary policy. Inflation punishes savers and asset owners while rewarding spenders and debt holders. The value of a dollar in 1950 should equal a dollar in 2009 in my opinion. Interesting video though...
 

badkarma1399

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I don't know why you guys complain against the use of drama. Intellect has rarely gotten anything done in politics. From the 1776 revolution to the civil rights movement, logic may have been behind it, but drama is what sold it to the masses.

I find the deficit facts the scariest. The government spending has gotten out of control, and there seems to be no way out. I can't see how these trillion dollar bailouts are gonna be helpful unless there is a way to pay for it in the future.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: spittledip
Too much freaking drama. That is one big problem with RP supporters generally speaking. I don't disagree with the message, but I do disagree with the way it is presented. Let me decide with my intellect: please keep emotionally charged drama out of it. I mean really, what is it with that John Williams-esque soundtrack on that video?? Also, the use of the word "communizing" by the OP is manipulative and makes the presentation of an important message seem divisive.

The message is true and important, but the way it is delivered is in bad taste.

I agree, drama is why Ron Paul is ridiculed. There's never been any drama about the birthplace of a candidate or whether or not a particular candidates baby was her own...

I didn't say I had anything against Ron Paul- I am making complaints against his supporters. I like RP. I am not sure if he would have been a good president, but he is an important voice that more people need to listen to. But no one likes a naysayer, so no one will listen to him.
 

Beattie

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Eh...yeah, poor analogy at beginning. If they could pull themselves up by their own bootstraps they already would have. Global trade is good for everyone, history is clear on this.

Guys, Bernanke isn't the problem, you need to be crying for Greenspan's blood. Due to the CDS connections I'm really convinced they didn't have a choice but to bail out the bigger ones. This is why giving the Fed more power to regulate would be good-- they could reign in the CDS trading and increase reserve requirements for issuing CDSs. There should not be no-reserve for CDSs on AAA securities-- those AAA securities lost their rating and then suddenly some of the guys who had been issuing these CDSs had to cover their reserve requirements.

I don't think there would be any problems if we were allowed to audit the Fed. Probably good to keep the actual financial specifics secret (if we didn't there would be too many runs on firms and banks), but we don't want another Greenspan to happen.

Greenspan has been saying Credit Default Swaps (CDS) were a bad idea for a long time.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Eh...yeah, poor analogy at beginning. If they could pull themselves up by their own bootstraps they already would have. Global trade is good for everyone, history is clear on this.

Guys, Bernanke isn't the problem, you need to be crying for Greenspan's blood. Due to the CDS connections I'm really convinced they didn't have a choice but to bail out the bigger ones. This is why giving the Fed more power to regulate would be good-- they could reign in the CDS trading and increase reserve requirements for issuing CDSs. There should not be no-reserve for CDSs on AAA securities-- those AAA securities lost their rating and then suddenly some of the guys who had been issuing these CDSs had to cover their reserve requirements.

I don't think there would be any problems if we were allowed to audit the Fed. Probably good to keep the actual financial specifics secret (if we didn't there would be too many runs on firms and banks), but we don't want another Greenspan to happen.

How to fix the CDS market.

1. Force them all onto a regulated, public exchange exactly as is done for listed options, stocks and futures.
2. Mark all positions to the market nightly.
3. Have a central counterparty for all contracts, as is done with the OCC for listed options.
4. Allow and in fact mandate that the central counterparty enforce, on a nightly basis, margin requirements.

Doesn't sound to hard if anyone was actually interested in fixing anything.
 

JS80

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Horrible analogy. Should have added that the American, along with the job of eating, taught the Asians "how to" fish, hunt, and gather firewood.

I cannot wait until government health and cap and trade passes, and Treasury holders will say "no thank you" and the US govt will no longer be able to operate on credit, and will have to operate under balanced budgets, all at the same time screwing the Chinese out of their US paper assets teaching them a lesson that trade means trade.
 

bamacre

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JS80
Horrible analogy. Should have added that the American, along with the job of eating, taught the Asians "how to" fish, hunt, and gather firewood.

I cannot wait until government health and cap and trade passes, and Treasury holders will say "no thank you" and the US govt will no longer be able to operate on credit, and will have to operate under balanced budgets, all at the same time screwing the Chinese out of their US paper assets teaching them a lesson that trade means trade.

Huh? I would think the last thing the Chinese would want is for us to be monetizing debt. If we run balanced budgets, then that won't be necessary.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: JS80
Horrible analogy. Should have added that the American, along with the job of eating, taught the Asians "how to" fish, hunt, and gather firewood.

I cannot wait until government health and cap and trade passes, and Treasury holders will say "no thank you" and the US govt will no longer be able to operate on credit, and will have to operate under balanced budgets, all at the same time screwing the Chinese out of their US paper assets teaching them a lesson that trade means trade.

Huh? I would think the last thing the Chinese would want is for us to be monetizing debt. If we run balanced budgets, then that won't be necessary.

I don't want the gov't to be able to run up Treasury debt. The only way to do that is for the Treasury to default on the bonds. And you do that by signing bills you can't afford. Once you cut off credit to the gov't they will be forced to operate under pay-go type budgets and will restrict their ability to expand uncontrollably.
 

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^ Except it's bad for U.S. businesses and workers if the U.S. is relegated to junk bond status. Hoping it happens because of a partisan boner for ideological cleanliness is sort of insane.