The Truth about the McDonald's Hot Coffee Lawsuit

maziwanka

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I gotta run, but this is definitely a good read.

I learned about this in my first year civil procedure class.

don't be so quick to jump to conclusions about "frivolous" lawsuits. the marketing power of the parties sued is amazing.

+ronnie

http://www.siegfriedandjensen.com/cases.html

Also, here's some info presenting the other side of the argument (from tcsenter, also stated MANY times by Amused) (highlighting the ineptness of the lawyers representing McDonald's):

Here are the "real" facts:

McDonald's coffee was actually well within brewing, holding, and serving temperatures as set-forth and recommended by the prestigious American National Standards Institute (ANSI), the Coffee Specialty Association of America, and the National Coffee Association. It was merely 'higher' than the average temperatures found among other establishments in the area (according to the plaintiff's attorney, which the defense never challenged).

This is why McDonald's coffee is liked so well by so many and McDonald's sells more coffee than any other fast food chain, precisely because McDonald's serves it hotter than everyone else (though still well within industry standard and recommended temps).

The vast overwhelming majority of burn reports that McDonald's recieved were minor injuries that did not require medical attention. Of the cases that McDonald's settled or offered a settlement, either one of its employees was implicated in causing or contributing to the spill or the container failed. i.e. these were legitimate product liability or employee negligence lawsuits, the customer didn't negligently dump the coffee straight into their own lap

The case would NEVER have survived an appeal. see: McMahon v. Bunn-O-Matic Corp., 150 F.3d 651 1998 (virtually identical circumstances)

This case epitomizes the frivolous lawsuit.

quote:
American National Standards Institute/Association of Household Appliance Manufacturers Joint Standard CM-1-1986, Section 5.2.1 provides:

On completion of the brewing cycle and within a 2 minute interval, the beverage temperature in the dispensing vessel of the coffee maker while stirring should be between the limits of 170 degrees F and 205 degrees F (77 degrees C and 96 degrees C).

The upper finished brew temperature limit assures that the coffee does not reach the boiling point which can affect the taste and aroma. The lower temperature limit assures generally acceptable drinking temperature when pouring into a cold cup, adding cream, sugar and spoon.

Standard 5.2.3.2 adds, for any coffee maker that "incorporates means to maintain beverage temperature on completion of a brewing cycle": With the appliance containing maximum rated cup capacity of liquid, basket and pump removed (if present), allow to stand while still energized...for a period of 1 hour at which time the beverage temperature in the appliance should not be lower than 170 degrees F (76.7 degrees C).

McDonald's Callousness Was Real Issue, Jurors Say, In Case of Burned Woman

How Hot Do You Like It?

by Andrea Gerlin
Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal
September 1, 1994
The Wall Street Journal

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - When a law firm here found itself defending McDonald's Corp. in a suit last year that claimed the company served dangerously hot coffee, it hired a law student to take temperatures at other local restaurants for comparison.

After dutifully slipping a thermometer into steaming cups and mugs all over the city, Danny Jarrett found that none came closer than about 20 degrees to the temperature at which McDonald's coffee is poured, about 180 degrees.

It should have been a warning.

But McDonald's lawyers went on to dismiss several opportunities to settle out of court, apparently convinced that no jury would punish a company for serving coffee the way customers like it. After all, its coffee's temperature helps explain why McDonald's sells a billion cups a year.

But now - days after a jury here awarded $2.9 million to an 81-year-old woman scalded by McDonald's coffee - some observers say the defense was naïve. "I drink McDonald's coffee because it's hot, the hottest coffee around," says Robert Gregg, a Dallas defense attorney who consumes it during morning drives to the office. "But I've predicted for years that someone's going to win a suit, because I've spilled it on myself. And unlike the coffee I make at home, it's really hot. I mean, man, it hurts."

McDonald's, known for its fastidious control over franchisees, requires that its coffee be prepared at very high temperatures, based on recommendations of coffee consultants and industry groups that say hot temperatures are necessary to fully extract the flavor during brewing.

Before trial, McDonald's gave the opposing lawyer its operations and training manual, which says its coffee must be brewed at 195 to 205 degrees and held at 180 to 190 degrees for optimal taste. Sine the verdict, McDonald's has declined to offer any comment, as have their attorneys. It is unclear if the company, whose coffee cups warn drinkers that the contents are hot, plans to change its preparation procedures.

Coffee temperature is suddenly a hot topic in the industry. The Specialty Coffee Association of America has put coffee safety on the agenda of its quarterly board meeting this month. And a spokesman for Dunkin' Donuts Inc., which sells about 500 million cups of coffee a year, says the company is looking at the verdict to see if it needs to make any changes to the way it makes coffee.

Others call it a tempest in a coffeepot. A spokesman for the National Coffee Association says McDonald's coffee conforms to industry temperature standards. And a spokesman for Mr. Coffee Inc., the coffee-machine maker, says that if customer complaints are any indication, industry settings may be too low - some customers like it hotter. A spokeswoman for Starbucks Coffee Co. adds, "Coffee is traditionally a hot beverage and is served hot and I would hope that this is an isolated incident."

Coffee connoisseur William McAlpin, an importer and wholesaler in Bar Harbor, Maine, who owns a coffee plantation in Costa Rica, says 175 degrees is "probably the optimum temperature, because that's when aromatics are being released. Once the aromas get in your palate, that is a large part of what makes the coffee a pleasure to drink."

Public opinion is squarely on the side of McDonald's. Polls have shown a large majority of Americans - including many who typically support the little guy - to be outraged at the verdict. And radio talk-show hosts around the country have lambasted the plaintiff, her attorneys and the jurors on air. Declining to be interviewed for this story, one juror explained that he already had received angry calls from citizens around the country.

It's a reaction that many of the jurors could have understood - before they heard the evidence. At the beginning of the trial, jury foreman Jerry Goens says he "wasn't convinced as to why I needed to be there to settle a coffee spill."

At that point, Mr. Goens and the other jurors knew only the basic facts: that two years earlier, Stella Liebeck had bought a 49-cent cup of coffee at the drive-in window of an Albuquerque McDonald's, and while removing the lid to add cream and sugar had spilled it, causing third-degree burns of the groin, inner thighs and buttocks. Her suit, filed in state court in Albuquerque, claimed the coffee was "defective" because it was so hot.

What the jury didn't realize initially was the severity of her burns. Told during the trial of Mrs. Liebeck's seven days in the hospital and her skin grafts, and shown gruesome photographs, jurors began taking the matter more seriously. "It made me come home and tell my wife and daughters don't drink coffee in the car, at least not hot," says juror Jack Elliott.

Even more eye-opening was the revelation that McDonald's had seen such injuries many times before. Company documents showed that in the past decade McDonald's had received at least 700 reports of coffee burns ranging from mild to third degree, and had settled claims arising from scalding injuries for more than $500,000.

Some observers wonder why McDonald's, after years of settling coffee-burn cases, chose to take this one to trial. After all, the plaintiff was a sympathetic figure - an articulate, 81-year-old former department store clerk who said under oath that she had never filed suit before. In fact, she said, she never would have filed this one if McDonald's hadn't dismissed her requests for compensation for pain and medical bills with an offer of $800.

Then there was the matter of Mrs. Liebeck's attorney. While recuperating from her injuries in the Santa Fe home of her daughter, Mrs. Liebeck happened to meet a pair of Texas transplants familiar with a Houston attorney who had handled a 1986 hot-coffee lawsuit against McDonald's. His name was Reed Morgan, and ever since he had deeply believed that McDonald's coffee is too hot.

For that case, involving a Houston woman with third-degree burns, Mr. Morgan had the temperature of coffee taken at 18 restaurants such as Dairy Queen, Wendy's and Dunkin' Donuts, and at 20 McDonald's restaurants. McDonald's, his investigator found, accounted for nine of the 12 hottest readings. Also for that case, Mr. Morgan deposed Christopher Appleton, a McDonald's quality assurance manager, who said "he was aware of this risk?and had no plans to turn down the heat," according to Mr. Morgan. McDonald's settled that case for $27,500.

Now, plotting Mrs. Liebeck's case, Mr. Morgan planned to introduce photographs of his previous client's injuries and those of a California woman who suffered second- and third-degree burns after a McDonald's employee spilled hot coffee into her vehicle in 1990, a case that was settled out of court for $230,000.

Tracy McGee of Rodey, Dickason, Sloan, Akin & Robb, the lawyers for McDonald's, strenuously objected. "First-person accounts by sundry women whose nether regions have been scorched by McDonald's coffee might well be worthy of Oprah," she wrote in a motion to state court Judge Robert Scott. "But they have no place in a court of law." Judge Scott did not allow the photographs nor the women's testimony into evidence, but said Mr. Morgan could mention the cases.

As the trial date approached, McDonald's declined to settle. At one point, Mr. Morgan says he offered to drop the case for $300,000, and was willing to accept half that amount.

But McDonald's didn't bite.

Only days before the trial, Judge Scott ordered both sides to attend a mediation session. The mediator, a retired judge, recommended that McDonald's settle for $225,000, saying a jury would be likely to award that amount. The company didn't follow his recommendation.

Instead, McDonald's continued denying any liability for Mrs. Liebeck's burns. The company suggested that she may have contributed to her injuries by holding the cup between her legs and not removing her clothing immediately. And it also argued that "Mrs. Liebeck's age may have caused her injuries to have been worse than they might have been in a younger individual," since older skin is thinner and more vulnerable to injury.

The trial lasted seven sometimes mind-numbing days. Experts dueled over the temperature at which coffee causes burns. A scientist testifying for McDonald's argued that any coffee hotter than 130 degrees could produce third-degree burns, so it didn't matter whether Mc Donald's coffee was hotter. But a doctor testifying on behalf of Mrs. Liebeck argued that lowering the serving temperature to about 160 degrees could make a big difference, because it takes less than three seconds to produce a third-degree burn at 190 degrees, about 12 to 15 seconds at 180 degrees and about 20 seconds at 160 degrees.

The testimony of Mr. Appleton, the McDonald's executive, didn't help the company, jurors said later. He testified that McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious burns, but hadn't consulted burn experts about it. He also testified that McDonald's had decided not to warn customers about the possibility of severe burns, even though most people wouldn't think it possible. Finally, he testified that McDonald's didn't intend to change any of its coffee policies or procedures, saying, "There are more serious dangers in restaurants."

Mr. Elliott, the juror, says he began to realize that the case was about "callous disregard for the safety of the people."

Next for the defense came P. Robert Knaff, a human-factors engineer who earned $15,000 in fees from the case and who, several jurors said later, didn't help McDonald's either. Dr. Knaff told the jury that hot-coffee burns were statistically insignificant when compared to the billion cups of coffee McDonald's sells annually.

To jurors, Dr. Knaff seemed to be saying that the graphic photos they had seen of Mrs. Liebeck's burns didn't matter because they were rare. "There was a person behind every number and I don't think the corporation was attaching enough importance to that," says juror Betty Farnham.
When the panel reached the jury room, it swiftly arrived at the conclusion that McDonald's was liable. "The facts were so overwhelmingly against the company," says Ms. Farnham. "They were not taking care of their consumers."

Then the six men and six women decided on compensatory damages of $200,000, which they reduced to $160,000 after determining that 20% of the fault belonged with Mrs. Liebeck for spilling the coffee.

The jury then found that McDonald's had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct, the basis for punitive damages. Mr. Morgan had suggested penalizing McDonald's the equivalent of one to two days of companywide coffee sales, which he estimated at $1.35 million a day. During the four-hour deliberation, a few jurors unsuccessfully argued for as much as $9.6 million in punitive damages. But in the end, the jury settled on $2.7 million.

McDonald's has since asked the judge for a new trial. Judge Scott has asked both sides to meet with a mediator to discuss settling the case before he rules on McDonald's request. The judge also has the authority to disregard the jury's finding or decrease the amount of damages.

One day after the verdict, a local reporter tested the coffee at the McDonald's that had served Mrs. Liebeck and found it to be a comparatively cool 158 degrees. But industry officials say they doubt that this signals any companywide change. After all, in a series of focus groups last year, customers who buy McDonald's coffee at least weekly say that "morning coffee has minimal taste requirements, but must be hot," to the point of steaming.
 

pookguy88

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wow, i actually applaud McDonald's for brewing their coffee hotter than most places. i hate having 'warm' coffee. i wonder if they still brew it at 180F
 

Double Trouble

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Yes, I've read all about this case before, I've read the nonsense about McD's serving their coffee "too hot" etc, and my conclusion is still that this is a perfect example of a frivolous lawsuit and how the legal system is screwed up.
 

HannibalX

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During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700 claims of people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebeck's. This history documented McDonald's knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

That says it all right there folks. McDonalds knew about the problem well in advance and didn't try to fix it. They are at fault, even if she spilled the drink.
 

Slick5150

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Originally posted by: pookguy88
wow, i actually applaud McDonald's for brewing their coffee hotter than most places. i hate having 'warm' coffee. i wonder if they still brew it at 180F

Its not what it's brewed at, its what its left sitting at. Nobody keeps there coffee at more than 140 because you'd scorch your mouth if you tried drinking it. McDonalds had it around 180, which based on years of complaints of burns, results to negligence for not adjusting it.

And no, they no longer keep at at 180 and haven't for years.
 

Double Trouble

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Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??
 

SlowSpyder

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When I used to work at restaurants food had to be kept at 165-170.

The bottom line is this dumb old hag spilled a known-to-be-hot liquid on her dirty old cooch and sued over it. Unfortunately she lived through having burns on 6% of her body so she could sue. Maybe next time she should not attempt to mix cream and sugar in her hot coffee in a car.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

140 degree coffee isn't causing third degree burns.
 

HannibalX

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Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!
 

BurnItDwn

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!

I disagree, they probably guzzled down the coffee. If they just took a little sip, they would have realized that it was hot. Also, there was probably a warning on the cup that said "caution: hot" or something to that extent. Also, there was probably steam rising from it, which should tell anybody with even a hint of common sense "hey this is hot, be careful".

Also, you have to remember that hot coffee can always be cooled down. Cold coffee should NEVER be reheated because then it will taste like crap.

I've read about the case before, and this case is frivolous. The 700 other cases, are all people who should have been more careful. If they didn't like the 180 degree coffee, they should have gone some place else.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!
The customers should have known they couldn't touch the coffee for 10 minutes. Ya think? duuuuuuuhh!
 

shilala

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!
Explain to me, please, how this releases an individual from their responsibility to understand that hot coffee burns?
It's frivolous.
Guess what? Water drowns.
I've been trying to explain this and have sent over one million letters to lakes, ponds, and bathtubs countrywide.
Still, the water remains.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP THIS INSANITY BEFORE SOMEONE GETS WET AGAIN!!!
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!

"Hot liquids", for people that are not wearing a helmet and riding the yellow bus, means it can hurt if you spill it on yourself.

People have been cut by knifes and shot by guns.

 

Gunslinger08

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No amount of evidence, short of proof that McDonald's materialized as a person and poured the coffee directly into the woman's lap, proves that McDonald's should be liable for hot coffee that ends up in your lap.
 

tfinch2

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Man just thinking about 180 degree coffee makes my tongue feel tingly.

Originally posted by: shilala
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!
Explain to me, please, how this releases an individual from their responsibility to understand that hot coffee burns?
It's frivolous.
Guess what? Water drowns.
I've been trying to explain this and have sent over one million letters to lakes, ponds, and bathtubs countrywide.
Still, the water remains.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP THIS INSANITY BEFORE SOMEONE GETS WET AGAIN!!!

:laugh:
 

brxndxn

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700 claims of people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebeck's. This history documented McDonald's knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

That says it all right there folks. McDonalds knew about the problem well in advance and didn't try to fix it. They are at fault, even if she spilled the drink.

It's not a problem. People slip and fall on cement.. Should all cement be turned into mattresses? People crash cars.. should all mobility be removed from cars so people cannot crash them?

You are dumb.
 

SlowSpyder

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Can I sue a knife maker for making an 'extra sharp' knife if I cut myself with it while I'm whittling a stick in a moving car?
 

AUMM

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Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

did you even read the article :confused:
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: tagej
Pale Rider, they knew about the 'hazard'... duuuuuuh. Ya think spilling hot coffee on yourself could cause burns??

Uhh, did you fall off the short bus? Spilled drink is NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is McDonald's KNOWINGLY gave the drink out and had 700 documented cases of where it burned people badly, INCLUDING BURNS SUFFERED BY CONSUMING THE COFFE FROM THE CUP AS IT WAS INTENDED WHEN SOLD. Hello? McFly?!

"Hot liquids", for people that are not wearing a helmet and riding the yellow bus, means it can hurt if you spill it on yourself.

People have been cut by knifes and shot by guns.

:thumbsup:

 

HannibalX

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700 claims of people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebeck's. This history documented McDonald's knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

That says it all right there folks. McDonalds knew about the problem well in advance and didn't try to fix it. They are at fault, even if she spilled the drink.

It's not a problem. People slip and fall on cement.. Should all cement be turned into mattresses? People crash cars.. should all mobility be removed from cars so people cannot crash them?

You are dumb.

The spilled drink is not the issue dumbass.

 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: pookguy88
wow, i actually applaud McDonald's for brewing their coffee hotter than most places. i hate having 'warm' coffee. i wonder if they still brew it at 180F

If you drank 180F coffee on any sort of regular basis, you would no longer have an esophagus.

180F is ridiculous. That is beyond any sort of reason. There is hot, and then there is boiling. Styrofoam is also an incredible insultator. For the coffee to cool, it would have to sit out for quite a while with the top off, something you obviously cant do while driving. Which is what they obviously knew people were doing (so says the article)- theyre selling it out of a drive thru after all. This is also "fast food", not buy it and leave it sitting for 15 minutes before you can touch it food.

Go ahead and boil up a cup of water, wait about 30 seconds for it to cool to 180F, and spill it directly over your crotch. Then see how frivolous you think it is. You can post from your laptop at the hospital. You'll just need someone else to hold it for you, because you no longer have a lap.

Its really no different than if they were to serve up burgers that were so undercooked that they still contained live contamination, just to save a few cents - you'd have had to go home and recook it if you didnt want E. Coli. You can thank wendy's for killing a few children with that one. I don't think a (caution: this food can send you to the hospital if you eat it as intended) would have satisfied a jury either.
 

JD50

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One time, I took a bite of pizza, I think the cheese may have burned the roof of my mouth, I'm suing the pizza maker and the maker of the oven...
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700 claims of people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebeck's. This history documented McDonald's knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

That says it all right there folks. McDonalds knew about the problem well in advance and didn't try to fix it. They are at fault, even if she spilled the drink.

It's not a problem. People slip and fall on cement.. Should all cement be turned into mattresses? People crash cars.. should all mobility be removed from cars so people cannot crash them?

You are dumb.

The spilled drink is not the issue dumbass.

Yes it is, if the coffee stayed in the cup how the hell would it burn you?

 

AUMM

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
During discovery, McDonald's produced documents showing more than 700 claims of people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebeck's. This history documented McDonald's knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

That says it all right there folks. McDonalds knew about the problem well in advance and didn't try to fix it. They are at fault, even if she spilled the drink.

It's not a problem. People slip and fall on cement.. Should all cement be turned into mattresses? People crash cars.. should all mobility be removed from cars so people cannot crash them?

You are dumb.

how about if someone makes a sidewalk that is more slippery than normal? how about if a car has some issue that makes any accident in it fatal?