JulesMaximus
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GMC Envoy=Chevy Trailblazer
GMC Sierra is a Chevy 1500 Silverado
They share probably 90% of the same components as their Chevy counterparts.
As for the Envoy you could say any SUV that size is the same.
The Trailblazer and the Envoy are two very different cars and you know that.
GMC Sierra has a different exterior look than the 1500 and comes with more options.
GMC and Chevy market to two very different people and that is why they exist. Anyone who says GMC is just a Chevy copy just needs to STFU because they're an idiot.
They're EXACTLY the same? Because you know if you put them next to each other, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to tell them apart.
And personally I think the Chevy is hideously ugly while the GMC is good looking, for a truck.
So the steering wheel and a few buttons are "similar." Does that make is the same car?
Does your truck have that "4 wheel turning" option, where all 4 wheels turn when you turn? I don't think so. That's available on the Sierra.
It's typical for someone who drives the inferior Chevy to say their superior (the GMC in this case) is "exactly the same."
That's like someone in a Toyota Camry saying their car is basically "exactly the same" as a Lexus because the steering wheel is the same shape and a few buttons on the inside are similar.
JulesMaximus
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From Edmunds.com:
Hey genius, they are built on the same chassis, use the same drivetrain, share the same electronics, suspension, brakes and most of the same sheet metal. Now please, STFU before you hurt yourself.
GMC customers and Chevy customers are two very different people.
Many of them would never own a Chevy. The evidence of this is in the commercials.
Chevy trucks markets to beer swigging hillbillies (although Ford is even worst about this), GMC markets to middle upper class people who need a truck.
GMC is a very important brand.
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well, that's stupid. if GM hadn't been paying out a $2 dividend then that would be $2 more in assets that it actually has, to the stock price should move up $2. and if they'd, oh, i dunno, reinvested that $2 in modern equipment or kept it as a war chest by which to fight the UAW, maybe it'd be much higher.
I just looked it up, they used to have it on the Sierra, but apparently not anymore.
Does the Chevy have full time AWD? The Sierra does.
The GMC is vastly superior to Chevy.
JulesMaximus
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I have an Infiniti QX4, which is vastly superior to the Pathfinder, which I proved beyond a reasonable doubt in another thread.
IGBT
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..and 64 billion in unfunded liabilities.
And gravely, it is burdened by health costs, which it supplies for a population bigger than Detroit's--that is, for a total of 1.1 million employees, retirees, and dependents. Its thriving Japanese competitors, such as Toyota (Research), pay health benefits for their U.S. active employees and dependents too. But Toyota does not have GM's retiree health burden, a mountain that at year-end totaled an unfunded $64 billion and that, in annual effect on the bottom line, adds about $1,300 to the cost of every car and truck GM makes in the U.S.
..Ive felt for a long time GM failed to build a product backbone on econimical and reliable cars in the form and function of the Honda Civic or the Toyota Corolla. I see them things all over the place and hardly a GM counter that is recognizable competition. And if they do have a competitive product they have failed miserably in marketing. An outstanding product means nothing if potential buyers don't know about it.
Chrysler did recieve "loan guarantees" but not a dime of tax payer revenue.
PingSpike
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LOL at gatsby. GM has a ton of brands and like a quarter as many actually different products. You want a luxury car? Take car platform A, stick a bunch of nice options and a sweet interior on it, slap the luxury brand badge on it and bam its a luxury car. You want an economy car? Take car platform A, stick basic options and a economy brand badge...and bam its an economy car. Pretty much all automakers do this to varying degrees, its a cost saving measure. Less R&D costs because its only one design for 3 or so vehicles, less manufactoring costs as well. GMs penchent for gobbling up brands just brings it to crazy stupid levels, since their brands all overlap eachothers markets.
I thought everyone knew this. Go ahead and hate the chevy truck while buying the GMC though...the cash all goes to the same place.
I thought everyone knew this. Go ahead and hate the chevy truck while buying the GMC though...the cash all goes to the same place.
PingSpike
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It was a good article. What I got out of it was GM is going to need some luck. They said themselves no company has turned itself around just by cutting costs. They're going to need revenue flow, and that means they need people to buy their products. All about the products hold true here I guess.
They had a good quote from a mechanic saying that their vehicles had really improved, but that no one will buy them. To many people bought junk from them in the past, and GM has spent to much time making itself look like the guy with the cheap cars with their crazy rebates. It'll be tough to turn that around at this point. They can't honestly expect people that probably left them because they became fed up with their products to come running back with open arms as soon as they start getting it right? Those people very well may never come back. Its a lot easier to keep existing customers then it is to replace them!
I don't know though, I liked my old 92 cavalier wagon when I had it. Maybe they'll give me a good deal...on a vibe.
They had a good quote from a mechanic saying that their vehicles had really improved, but that no one will buy them. To many people bought junk from them in the past, and GM has spent to much time making itself look like the guy with the cheap cars with their crazy rebates. It'll be tough to turn that around at this point. They can't honestly expect people that probably left them because they became fed up with their products to come running back with open arms as soon as they start getting it right? Those people very well may never come back. Its a lot easier to keep existing customers then it is to replace them!
I don't know though, I liked my old 92 cavalier wagon when I had it. Maybe they'll give me a good deal...on a vibe.
There was an article in Forbes not too long ago regarding GM's trouble as well. An ex-employee of GM earned $60k just for going around the neighborhood and fixing small-carpenter-related items, a few hours a day. He was laid off, but the union got him a great contract with GM. There are thousands like this guy, and surly, more to come.
GM is wasting billions on crap like this. Whoever signed the contract with the union should be shot. It doesn't help that other car companies are making superior automobiles with less cost.
GM is wasting billions on crap like this. Whoever signed the contract with the union should be shot. It doesn't help that other car companies are making superior automobiles with less cost.
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