The Thread from the Seventh Circle of Hades

[Random Variable]

Hi. My name is Vespasian and I live in the United States. My government wants to conquer you. <Evil Laugh>

 

[Texmaster]

<< Hi. My name is Vespasian and I live in the United States. My government wants to conquer you. <Evil Laugh> >>



I'm part of the conspiracy MUHAHAHAHA

 

[Mookow]

<< But the simple fact is that a bunch of farmers in Nicaragua could never be a threat to the US, no matter how much Soviet hardware they may have been able to purchase. >>



I have to disagree with that. Remember when the USSR gave the Cubans some nukes? Once that happened, Cuba was a strategic threat to the USA.

 

[Random Variable]

I say that we just let the Iranian, Iraqi, and Lebanese governments do whatever they want to do. And if they kill a few million people and exterminate the Jews in the process, oh well.

 

[novon]

Everyone likes to watch mafia movies, but if you've watched enough movies or real life mafia stories, you know that the main characters always have a rise, enjoy the good life, but eventually their life of crime catches up to them. I see the American GOVERNMENT (emphasis on the top leaders and business men with the majority of money) as a very big and powerful mafia, they got to the top of the world by fighting and screwing other people over, and now they are doing anything and everything to keep their power and money. What's worse is the mafia's children, the average American citizen, is naive and believes the lies it has been told by the mafia heads, they are just told to keep supporting their leaders who keep their actions ambigious and the motives under the radar. "The abuse of power comes as no suprise." Eventually, once they have bullied enough third world countries, screwed over enough orginizations, jacked enough money, blown up enough innocent people, their actions will catch up to them.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< Well lets look at it from the other side. How many threads can you recall on AT by americans dissing other countries for various things? >>



I can recall at least an even number of people bashing America as there are Americans bashing on other countries

 

[Random Variable]

<< Everyone like to watch mafia movie, but if you've watched enought movies or real life mafia stories, you know that the main characters allways have a rise, enjoy the good life, but eventually their life of crime catches up to them. I see the American GOVERNMENT (emphasis on the top leaders and business men with the majority of money) as a very big and powerful mafia, they got to the top of the world by fighting and screwing other people over, and now they are doing anything and everything to keep their power and money. What's worse is the mafia's children, the average American citizen, is naive and believes the lies it has been told by the mafia heads. "The abuse of power comes as no suprise." Eventually, once they have bullied enough less powerful countries, screwed over enough orginizations, jacked enough money, their actions will catch up to them. >>


Yeah, that's what we need--a bloody revolution.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< Everyone like to watch mafia movie, but if you've watched enough movies or real life mafia stories, you know that the main characters allways have a rise, enjoy the good life, but eventually their life of crime catches up to them. I see the American GOVERNMENT (emphasis on the top leaders and business men with the majority of money) as a very big and powerful mafia, they got to the top of the world by fighting and screwing other people over, and now they are doing anything and everything to keep their power and money. What's worse is the mafia's children, the average American citizen, is naive and believes the lies it has been told by the mafia heads, they are just told to keep supporting their leaders who keep their actions ambigious and the motives under the radar. "The abuse of power comes as no suprise." Eventually, once they have bullied enough less powerful countries, screwed over enough orginizations, jacked enough money, blown up enought innocent people, their actions will catch up to them. >>


Funny thing is.............insert any other country's name in place of American in the above and it will still hold true at some point.............

 

[Antoneo]

<< The Thread from Hell >>

Hehehe

 

[novon]

<< Funny thing is.............insert any other country's name in place of American in the above and it will still hold true at some point............. >>



I don't think that's true for any country, but it is true for most of the rich and powerful originizations of the world.

 

[ToBeMe]

<<

<< Funny thing is.............insert any other country's name in place of American in the above and it will still hold true at some point............. >>



I don't think that's true for any country, but it is true for most of the rich and powerful originizations of the world. >>


Name one that you think it wouldn't apply to........then go research that countrys' history and I guarantee that somewhere down through its history what you wrote will apply to its government and its citizens..............or at least someone will have percieved it to...............

 

[novon]

that's no argument, There are a lot of peaceful countries in the world, which don't actively start wars to make orprotect money, the only countries I can think of that do that are the US and England. Just the fact that other countries may or may not have done something sleazy in the past does not in any way make the US foreign policy justifiable, at least not at the scale and ruthelessness it accomplishes. And don't let any naive person tell you a couple of deluded arabs blowing up thousands of innocent people out of frustration is any better than the most powerful country in the world blowing up millions of innocent people over a longer period of time with fancier guns and fancier diplomacy, it's murder and politic either way, and if you as a person support the aggression then you're no better than the people doing the dirty work.

 

[Random Variable]

<< that's no argument, There are a lot of peaceful countries in the world, which don't actively start wars to make money. Just the fact that other countries may or may not have done something sleazy in the past does not in any way make the US foreign policy justifiable, at least not at the scale and ruthelessness it accomplishes. And don't let any naive person tell you a couple of deluded arabs blowing up thousands of innocent people out of frustration is any better than the most powerful country in the world blowing up millions of innocent people over a longer period of time with fancier guns and fancier diplomacy, it's murder and politic either way. >>


Yes, America is a blood-thristy nation. They enjoy killing people just for the fun of it. Death to America! Death to America! Death to America!

 

[joohang]

<< I'm part of the conspiracy MUHAHAHAHA >>


Then, I'm your spy in Canada. I used to spy in North Korea upon Clinton's request.

 

[novon]

Don't simplify the situation, the US "government" doesn't kill for fun, but it does kill for profit. And no death to America, that's a big generlization and unfair to those Americans swept up in the brainwashing and those Americans that know what's going on and want to change things. If anybody wants death, then give it to those greedy bastards that control most of the money and most of the wars.

 

[Random Variable]

<< Don't simplify the situation, the US "government" doesn't kill for fun, but it does kill for profit. And no death to America, that's a big generlization and unfair to those Americans swept up in the brainwashing and those Americans that know what's going on and want to change things. If anybody wants death, then give it to those greedy bastards that control most of the money and most of the wars. >>


Do you attend like the most ultra liberal university on the face of this planet?

EDIT: And I think that you're the one who has been brainwashed.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< that's no argument, There are a lot of peaceful countries in the world, which don't actively start wars to make orprotect money, the only countries I can think of that do that are the US and England. Just the fact that other countries may or may not have done something sleazy in the past does not in any way make the US foreign policy justifiable, at least not at the scale and ruthelessness it accomplishes. And don't let any naive person tell you a couple of deluded arabs blowing up thousands of innocent people out of frustration is any better than the most powerful country in the world blowing up millions of innocent people over a longer period of time with fancier guns and fancier diplomacy, it's murder and politic either way, and if you as a person support the aggression then you're no better than the people doing the dirty work. >>


What's the use in arguing with someone whom has all the facts and all the knowledge such as yourself???????

One question though...........don't you ever get tired of convincing yourself you're always right and everyone else is wrong????? Why, you must be a legend in you're own mind! I sure hope you run for President in the next election since you have all the answers and they are iron clad! A man like you must be worth literally millions.........tell me.......are you real..........or are you Memorex??????



PS: Don't get to full of yourself................the only one you're deluding with your drivel is YOU!

 

[novon]

Guys, don't take my debates personally, it's no attack against you, it's an opinion based on my facts and preceptions, just as you have your preceptions.



<< Do you attend like the most ultra liberal university on the face of this planet? >>



Nope, and I don't like labels. My opinions are based on common sense and a humanistic approach to other people.





<< What's the use in arguing with someone whom has all the facts and all the knowledge such as yourself??????? >>



I never said I have all the facts, infact I believe the opposite, and lets keep the debate on topic, no need to call names or make generlizations. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it, but it does your point no good to just simply label my points as "drivel"

Alright, I've had enough fun tonight, peace out.

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< never said I have all the facts, infact I believe the opposite, and lets keep the debate on topic, no need to call names or make generlizations. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it, but it does your point no good to just simply label my points as "drivel" >>


Labeling comments like "america kills for profit" as drivel is probably a vast over estimation of their true value.

 

[burnedout]

The Thread from Hell

Third revision of the thread title, eh?

that's no argument, There are a lot of peaceful countries in the world, which don't actively start wars to make orprotect money, the only countries I can think of that do that are the US and England. Just the fact that other countries may or may not have done something sleazy in the past does not in any way make the US foreign policy justifiable, at least not at the scale and ruthelessness it accomplishes. And don't let any naive person tell you a couple of deluded arabs blowing up thousands of innocent people out of frustration is any better than the most powerful country in the world blowing up millions of innocent people over a longer period of time with fancier guns and fancier diplomacy, it's murder and politic either way, and if you as a person support the aggression then you're no better than the people doing the dirty work.

Read my sig. Some SOB directs a bunch of nutcases to hijack my planes, convert them into cruise missiles and kills 3,000 deserves extermination. Thankfully we have an administration in office that is doing everything in it's power to stop that from happening again - despite all the bleeding heart liberal punks.

Whether you know it or not, there were reasons behind Grenada, Panama, Haiti, the Gulf War, Bosnia, Kosovo and this one.

"You don't murder animals. You kill them." - Lee Marvin

 

[ToBeMe]

<< Guys, don't take my debates personally, it's no attack against you, it's an opinion based on my facts and preceptions, just as you have your preceptions.



<< Do you attend like the most ultra liberal university on the face of this planet? >>



Nope, and I don't like labels. My opinions are based on common sense and a humanistic approach to other people.





<< What's the use in arguing with someone whom has all the facts and all the knowledge such as yourself??????? >>



I never said I have all the facts, infact I believe the opposite, and lets keep the debate on topic, no need to call names or make generlizations. If you have something to say about the topic, then say it, but it does your point no good to just simply label my points as "drivel"

Alright, I've had enough fun tonight, peace out. >>


Well, when you politely dismiss opposing opinions as "not being an argument" then go off on your on tangent............what do you expect??????

A discussion takes more than one person Novon...........if you merely dismiss others opinions as incorrect as you have done, how do you expect people to react??? I completely disagree with what you are saying, and have just as strong reasoning and facts for my opinions, but, why even attempt when your arrogance will only allow your opinions in a discussion?????

 

[jobberd]

<< ROFLOL!!! That was good

5 bucks says he doesn't answer >>

I posted my idea in hopes that i would get some constructive criticism, and instead I get someone calling my "statement" BS and ridiculing me. For someone that defends America so much on this forum, you sure don't seem like a good American

<< OK tell us what you are basing your opinion on. >>

I'm basing this opinion on the fact that the majority of people desire power. Why has there been so many empires that have attempted to gain control of the world through history?

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< I'm basing this opinion on the fact that the majority of people desire power. Why has there been so many empires that have attempted to gain control of the world through history? >>


Two incoherent sentences do not make for an answer. Tex- tell me where to send the money.

 

[Optimus]

<< I think the main reason Europe is starting to dislike the US so much now is the "my way or no way" attitute towards the world for the last few years. It just gets to people >>



I still don't see that as a valid reason to hate a nation that is for the most part helpful, friendly, free, and always ready to help.


I am a proud Canadian, and I see America's faults - but I love America for the rest of thier qualities and freedom.

The world is a much, MUCH better place for America, IMHO.

 

[jobberd]

<< Two incoherent sentences do not make for an answer. Tex- tell me where to send the money. >>

How does it not make sense? The reason i believe America would take over the world if it had the chance is the same reason why most of the previous nations DID attempt to take over the world. I'm sorry if you can't understand this. I was willing to have a nice discussion about this, but apparently that's too much for you hot-heads