Watch out, Joe, you just suggested that there might be something not to like about Jr. That's a big no-no in Dirkville. :Q
Not true!
I'm still voting for Bush, not that it matters - he's going to get buried in NY.
Its going to take a lot of evidence to convince me that Bush is a man of less principle than Gore, and I do believe in principle. One thing with Reagan, you knew where he stood. You may not have liked it, but you knew. I don't think he gave a damn about the polls but he did stand up for what he believed in. That's why, IMHO, he is still so well liked by so many. On the other hand, I think Gore will do whatever he needs to get a vote. Look at how Clinton and he opened the flood gates of immigrants to get the added votes. Suspended background checks and thereby allowed thousands of criminals into the US. Hell, Gore was pro-life until he discovered that embryos couldn't vote.
I'm still voting for Bush, not that it matters - he's going to get buried in NY.
Its going to take a lot of evidence to convince me that Bush is a man of less principle than Gore, and I do believe in principle. One thing with Reagan, you knew where he stood. You may not have liked it, but you knew. I don't think he gave a damn about the polls but he did stand up for what he believed in. That's why, IMHO, he is still so well liked by so many. On the other hand, I think Gore will do whatever he needs to get a vote. Look at how Clinton and he opened the flood gates of immigrants to get the added votes. Suspended background checks and thereby allowed thousands of criminals into the US. Hell, Gore was pro-life until he discovered that embryos couldn't vote.
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Hehehe, politics, ain't it sweet? Timing is always suspect during an election. Every statement is the result of what voters say they want in opinion polls, every issue is carefully picked to appeal to target audiences, every attack on an opponent is timed according to need, and you can be sure that each politician has a secret arsenal of dirt on their opponents. Political campaigns are not about who is best for the job, they are about who is best able to manipulate public opinion.
Democracy? Hmm, more like Marketocracy! (sp
)
Democracy? Hmm, more like Marketocracy! (sp
)I've explained before (look for the threads) that I can be best described as a "libertarian anarchist". I believe in as little government as necessary and as much freedom as possible with people SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCES of their actions. Any questions?
The Libertarians have a strong, common-sense platform but they don't have a many quality candidates running much beyond the local level. I played a benefit for one local candidate and I rapidly realized that I knew more about the issues than he did!:Q
Now, how does that square with my (non-)support of Dubya. It doesn't. Plain and simple, I'm voting for Bush because he's the best weapon against the nightmare a Democratic takeover would bring.
Lest you short-term memory deficient bozos forget, when Clinton/Gore took power, they had the Congress too. They could've passed tax cuts, they could've fixed SocSecurity, they could've fixed a whole lot of things but they didn't. What did they do? They raised taxes, tried to socialize over 1/7th of the economy and instituted a reign of lawlessness that has made this a cynical and hypocritical country. They went so far they delivered the Congress to GOP and were forced to play the demonization game ever since, even as the GOP forced Clinton to reign in the big spending.
Only a fool would deny the massive lawbreaking that has occurred. Liberals have tried to excuse it with the "they're all crooks/it's only sex/blah-yadda-whatever" excuse. They bring up other crooks in government to try an defend their crooks. (i.e. "Jefferson owned slaves so Clinton's perjury is no biggie." Yeah? Jefferson also wrote the Declaration of Independence and doubled the size of America with the Louisiana Purchase.) Kennedy stole his election with an average of one vote per precinct. Can you say that the Dems are above pulling a stunt to guarantee victory?
Our military is in decline. We're starting to get attacked by terrorists because they know we're weak and that the military is being hamstrung by the hippie liberal peaceniks. If you want more dead soldiers and sailors, by all means, vote Gore.
RD: You think that I'm just chumming the waters. You're wrong. Just because this is all a game for you doesn't make the state of the nation any less serious or my concern less real.
I've never said "Bush r0x0rZ!!!" I've just said that Gore and the Left must not be allowed back into power, or else the country will come unglued. I DON'T want this coming chaos, but if the schmucks who barf up, "I don't like Bush. I'm gonna wipe that smirk of his face.", go and vote in Gore, the bad effects will affect EVERYONE, including me and your worthless asses.
Asking again: Why would you vote for a lying criminal to be President when you wouldn't hire them to be your doctor/lawyer/mechanic/accountant?
The Libertarians have a strong, common-sense platform but they don't have a many quality candidates running much beyond the local level. I played a benefit for one local candidate and I rapidly realized that I knew more about the issues than he did!:Q
Now, how does that square with my (non-)support of Dubya. It doesn't. Plain and simple, I'm voting for Bush because he's the best weapon against the nightmare a Democratic takeover would bring.
Lest you short-term memory deficient bozos forget, when Clinton/Gore took power, they had the Congress too. They could've passed tax cuts, they could've fixed SocSecurity, they could've fixed a whole lot of things but they didn't. What did they do? They raised taxes, tried to socialize over 1/7th of the economy and instituted a reign of lawlessness that has made this a cynical and hypocritical country. They went so far they delivered the Congress to GOP and were forced to play the demonization game ever since, even as the GOP forced Clinton to reign in the big spending.
Only a fool would deny the massive lawbreaking that has occurred. Liberals have tried to excuse it with the "they're all crooks/it's only sex/blah-yadda-whatever" excuse. They bring up other crooks in government to try an defend their crooks. (i.e. "Jefferson owned slaves so Clinton's perjury is no biggie." Yeah? Jefferson also wrote the Declaration of Independence and doubled the size of America with the Louisiana Purchase.) Kennedy stole his election with an average of one vote per precinct. Can you say that the Dems are above pulling a stunt to guarantee victory?
Our military is in decline. We're starting to get attacked by terrorists because they know we're weak and that the military is being hamstrung by the hippie liberal peaceniks. If you want more dead soldiers and sailors, by all means, vote Gore.
RD: You think that I'm just chumming the waters. You're wrong. Just because this is all a game for you doesn't make the state of the nation any less serious or my concern less real.
I've never said "Bush r0x0rZ!!!" I've just said that Gore and the Left must not be allowed back into power, or else the country will come unglued. I DON'T want this coming chaos, but if the schmucks who barf up, "I don't like Bush. I'm gonna wipe that smirk of his face.", go and vote in Gore, the bad effects will affect EVERYONE, including me and your worthless asses.
Asking again: Why would you vote for a lying criminal to be President when you wouldn't hire them to be your doctor/lawyer/mechanic/accountant?
Finally, we get to Dirk-off's typical treatise where he blurts out all the stuff his limited brain will allow, and tries to be as crass with his insults as possible. Now this is vintage Dirk! Bravo! Image intact.
Don't worry. All of you who think he is aiming crass and unsophisticated cussing at you, consider the source. Insults from recycled bat guano don't count!
Don't worry. All of you who think he is aiming crass and unsophisticated cussing at you, consider the source. Insults from recycled bat guano don't count!
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[Breathesinthroughnose]Takes deep breath [/Breathesinthroughnose]
Gets that piss convulsion(You guys know what I mean)!
And knows that the time he spent online was worth not doing something more productive!
Hey and while I'm on here let me say a few words about a member(no I don't think their a tool also) I have had the pleasure of being in a few threads with, it's..........thebestMAX.
Hey let me just start off by saying that he's thebest!
You never really know what he's gonna say hell he could be noncoherent one minute and really whacked out the next!
Sometimes I think his brain is MAXed out. But one thing is for sure and that is he will always give you the MAXimum verbage for the brain that he has left!
I haven't interacted that much with thebestMAX but I'm sure I will in the future, so all you guys and gals that haven't read any of thebestMAXs work take a sec. and do a search for his nick I'm sure you'll enjoy his genesaqua(slaughtered that) as much as I.
[Breathesinthroughnose]Takes deep breath [/Breathesinthroughnose]
Gets that piss convulsion(You guys know what I mean)!
And knows that the time he spent online was worth not doing something more productive!
Hey and while I'm on here let me say a few words about a member(no I don't think their a tool also) I have had the pleasure of being in a few threads with, it's..........thebestMAX.
Hey let me just start off by saying that he's thebest!
You never really know what he's gonna say hell he could be noncoherent one minute and really whacked out the next!
Sometimes I think his brain is MAXed out.
But one thing is for sure and that is he will always give you the MAXimum verbage for the brain that he has left!I haven't interacted that much with thebestMAX but I'm sure I will in the future, so all you guys and gals that haven't read any of thebestMAXs work take a sec. and do a search for his nick I'm sure you'll enjoy his genesaqua(slaughtered that) as much as I.
"niether is a Criminal and both are liars"
Does the phrase, "No controlling legal authority", mean anything? Do Buddhist monks ring a bell? Gore has broken so many of the laws he's sworn to fix that the only thing that kept him out of trouble was Janet "Fire Fire FIRE!!" Reno refusing to investigate over the recommendations of the head of the FBI and the very investigator she brought in to bring an objective eye. Too bad he didn't bring his whitewash brush.
"Gore's even said he'd build up the Current state of our Armend Forces"
He's lying. Democrats DON'T like a strong military. Of course, you know how he traded his vote to support the Gulf War in exchange for prime TV time for his speech, don't you?
"This whole Impeachment Debacle was Petty politics"
If you or I committed as many crimes as Clinton did (PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE) we'd be IN JAIL! You love liberals so much, no crime is worth punishing. Clinton brought all this on himself when he whipped his dick out to Paula Jones, stuck it in Monica Lewinsky and then lied about it for 8 months. Not to mention the Travel Office, the FBI files, Oklahoma City (yeah, it only took two guys, riiiiiight) and the whole sordid list of crimes this gang has committed.
Because you morons hate Republicans so much (that's why you liked McCain, he's really a Democrat) you'll blow off the criminality of Clinton(s)/Gore.
The only thing you're remotely in the ballpark about is whether the GOP can deliver. They might, but on the other hand, if they reign in spending, the Democrats and their lap dogs in the media will treat us to at least two years of shrieking about how the poor are getting shafted because they haven't stolen more money from the producers to give to the mooches.
There is only one sure thing in this election: Gore is the WRONG choice if you value freedom and security in the least. You know he's a lying criminal and saying that Bush is stupid and a liar too doesn't change that fact.
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Does the phrase, "No controlling legal authority", mean anything? Do Buddhist monks ring a bell? Gore has broken so many of the laws he's sworn to fix that the only thing that kept him out of trouble was Janet "Fire Fire FIRE!!" Reno refusing to investigate over the recommendations of the head of the FBI and the very investigator she brought in to bring an objective eye. Too bad he didn't bring his whitewash brush.
"Gore's even said he'd build up the Current state of our Armend Forces"
He's lying. Democrats DON'T like a strong military. Of course, you know how he traded his vote to support the Gulf War in exchange for prime TV time for his speech, don't you?
"This whole Impeachment Debacle was Petty politics"
If you or I committed as many crimes as Clinton did (PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE) we'd be IN JAIL! You love liberals so much, no crime is worth punishing. Clinton brought all this on himself when he whipped his dick out to Paula Jones, stuck it in Monica Lewinsky and then lied about it for 8 months. Not to mention the Travel Office, the FBI files, Oklahoma City (yeah, it only took two guys, riiiiiight) and the whole sordid list of crimes this gang has committed.
Because you morons hate Republicans so much (that's why you liked McCain, he's really a Democrat) you'll blow off the criminality of Clinton(s)/Gore.
The only thing you're remotely in the ballpark about is whether the GOP can deliver. They might, but on the other hand, if they reign in spending, the Democrats and their lap dogs in the media will treat us to at least two years of shrieking about how the poor are getting shafted because they haven't stolen more money from the producers to give to the mooches.
There is only one sure thing in this election: Gore is the WRONG choice if you value freedom and security in the least. You know he's a lying criminal and saying that Bush is stupid and a liar too doesn't change that fact.
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Military on decline? argh, you should have watched frontline last night. Military officials know that they have to change our military. Its basically growing obsolete as it stands, and buying more tanks isn't going to solve the problem. The problem is changing times always call for different tactics. We no longer can rely on an enemy like Iraq to allow us 6 months of build up/preparation time. The military is converting to quick strike forces and training for urban warfare.
Our military isn't on decline, its just being changed. Change is good, just look at history, don't change your military to suit the times and u will die.
Our military isn't on decline, its just being changed. Change is good, just look at history, don't change your military to suit the times and u will die.
Dirk-e-baby: "Oklahoma City (yeah, it only took two guys, riiiiiight)"
This is just too easy! Dirk, with this one, and probably the shot you took at McCain, I think you just alienated anyone who might have even considered supporting you. I thought you were just a plain dimwit, but it's now clear that a simple lack of brains is the least of your worries.
Now go back to your compound, put on the body armor, and sit in that corner bunker with all the nice guns.
This is just too easy! Dirk, with this one, and probably the shot you took at McCain, I think you just alienated anyone who might have even considered supporting you. I thought you were just a plain dimwit, but it's now clear that a simple lack of brains is the least of your worries.
Now go back to your compound, put on the body armor, and sit in that corner bunker with all the nice guns.
1999 National Education Goals Report
TEXAS ? Data Highlights
1999 National Education Goals Report
I. HIGHEST-PERFORMING
Texas placed among the highest-performing states in the nation on 4 measures of progress during the 1990s:
Goal 1: Ready to Learn
1. the percentage of infants born with one or more of four health risks (29%);
Goal 4: Teacher Education and Professional Development
2. the percentage of public secondary school teachers who hold a teaching certificate in their main teaching assignment (96%);
3. the percentage of public school teachers reporting that they participated in in-service or professional development programs (93%); and
4. the percentage of public school teachers with training to teach limited English proficient students (28%).
II. MOST-IMPROVED
Texas placed among the most-improved states in the nation on 2 measures of progress during the 1990s:
Goal 1: Ready to Learn
1. increasing the percentage of mothers receiving early prenatal care; and
Goal 3: Student Achievement and Citizenship
2. increasing the percentage of public school 4th graders who are proficient in mathematics
III. AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT
Texas improved on 12 measures of progress toward the Goals during the 1990s:
Goal 1: Ready to Learn
1. Texas reduced the percentage of infants born with one or more of four health risks (from 32% in 1990, to 29% in 1997).
2. Texas increased the percentage of mothers who received early prenatal care (from 68% in 1990, to 79% in 1997).
3. Texas increased the number of children with disabilities enrolled in preschool (from 29 per 1,000 3- to 5-year-olds in 1991, to 36 per 1,000
3- to 5-year-olds in 1998).
Goal 3: Student Achievement and Citizenship
4. Texas increased the percentage of public school 4th graders who were proficient in mathematics (from 15% in 1992, to 25% in 1996).
5. Texas increased the percentage of public school 8th graders who were proficient in mathematics (from 13% in 1990, to 21% in 1996).
6. Texas increased the number of Advanced Placement examinations receiving grades high enough to qualify students for college credit. (The number of AP exams receiving a grade of 3 or higher increased from 34 per 1,000 11th and 12th graders in 1991, to 82 per 1,000 11th and 12th graders in 1999.)
Goal 4: Teacher Education and Professional Development
7. Texas increased the percentage of public school teachers who received support from a master or mentor teacher during their first year of teaching (from 22% in 1991, to 30% in 1994).
Goal 5: Mathematics and Science
8. Texas increased the proportion of degrees earned by all students that were awarded in mathematics and science (from 34% in 1991, to 38% in 1996).
9. Texas increased the proportion of degrees earned by minority students that were awarded in mathematics and science (from 35% in 1991, to 36% in 1996).
10. Texas increased the proportion of degrees earned by female students that were awarded in mathematics and science (from 29% in 1991, to 35% in 1996).
Goal 6: Adult Literacy and Lifelong Learning
11. Texas increased the percentage of high school graduates who immediately enrolled in college in any state (from 52% in 1992, to 54% in 1996).
Goal 8: Parental Participation
12. Texas increased the percentage of public school principals reporting that the parent associations in their schools have influence on school policy (from 14% in 1991, to 24% in 1994).
IV. AREAS OF DECLINE
There are no measures of progress where Texas? performance has declined.
"RAND issue papers explore topics of interest to the policymaking community. Although issue papers are formally reviewed, authors have substantial latitude to express provocative views without doing full justice to other perspectives. The views and conclusions expressed in issue papers are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent those of RAND or its research sponsors. (Issue Paper, What do Scores in Texas Tell Us?, RAND Corporation, 10/24/00)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/480531.asp
Rand President James Thomson said timing of the paper?s release was based only on completion of peer reviews and revision. We don?t produce findings for political reasons, he said.
Does anyone else see a conflict in the above two statements?
From the July Rand report
"And Texas schoolchildren - regardless of how much money their parents make or what race they are - are likely to do better than counterparts in other states, RAND concluded in the report released Tuesday. California children had the lowest scores in the several socio-economic categories examined by RAND, a think tank based in Santa Monica, Calif. (Associated Press, 7/25/00)
Still doing some research, more later.
TEXAS ? Data Highlights
1999 National Education Goals Report
I. HIGHEST-PERFORMING
Texas placed among the highest-performing states in the nation on 4 measures of progress during the 1990s:
Goal 1: Ready to Learn
1. the percentage of infants born with one or more of four health risks (29%);
Goal 4: Teacher Education and Professional Development
2. the percentage of public secondary school teachers who hold a teaching certificate in their main teaching assignment (96%);
3. the percentage of public school teachers reporting that they participated in in-service or professional development programs (93%); and
4. the percentage of public school teachers with training to teach limited English proficient students (28%).
II. MOST-IMPROVED
Texas placed among the most-improved states in the nation on 2 measures of progress during the 1990s:
Goal 1: Ready to Learn
1. increasing the percentage of mothers receiving early prenatal care; and
Goal 3: Student Achievement and Citizenship
2. increasing the percentage of public school 4th graders who are proficient in mathematics
III. AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT
Texas improved on 12 measures of progress toward the Goals during the 1990s:
Goal 1: Ready to Learn
1. Texas reduced the percentage of infants born with one or more of four health risks (from 32% in 1990, to 29% in 1997).
2. Texas increased the percentage of mothers who received early prenatal care (from 68% in 1990, to 79% in 1997).
3. Texas increased the number of children with disabilities enrolled in preschool (from 29 per 1,000 3- to 5-year-olds in 1991, to 36 per 1,000
3- to 5-year-olds in 1998).
Goal 3: Student Achievement and Citizenship
4. Texas increased the percentage of public school 4th graders who were proficient in mathematics (from 15% in 1992, to 25% in 1996).
5. Texas increased the percentage of public school 8th graders who were proficient in mathematics (from 13% in 1990, to 21% in 1996).
6. Texas increased the number of Advanced Placement examinations receiving grades high enough to qualify students for college credit. (The number of AP exams receiving a grade of 3 or higher increased from 34 per 1,000 11th and 12th graders in 1991, to 82 per 1,000 11th and 12th graders in 1999.)
Goal 4: Teacher Education and Professional Development
7. Texas increased the percentage of public school teachers who received support from a master or mentor teacher during their first year of teaching (from 22% in 1991, to 30% in 1994).
Goal 5: Mathematics and Science
8. Texas increased the proportion of degrees earned by all students that were awarded in mathematics and science (from 34% in 1991, to 38% in 1996).
9. Texas increased the proportion of degrees earned by minority students that were awarded in mathematics and science (from 35% in 1991, to 36% in 1996).
10. Texas increased the proportion of degrees earned by female students that were awarded in mathematics and science (from 29% in 1991, to 35% in 1996).
Goal 6: Adult Literacy and Lifelong Learning
11. Texas increased the percentage of high school graduates who immediately enrolled in college in any state (from 52% in 1992, to 54% in 1996).
Goal 8: Parental Participation
12. Texas increased the percentage of public school principals reporting that the parent associations in their schools have influence on school policy (from 14% in 1991, to 24% in 1994).
IV. AREAS OF DECLINE
There are no measures of progress where Texas? performance has declined.
"RAND issue papers explore topics of interest to the policymaking community. Although issue papers are formally reviewed, authors have substantial latitude to express provocative views without doing full justice to other perspectives. The views and conclusions expressed in issue papers are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent those of RAND or its research sponsors. (Issue Paper, What do Scores in Texas Tell Us?, RAND Corporation, 10/24/00)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/480531.asp
Rand President James Thomson said timing of the paper?s release was based only on completion of peer reviews and revision. We don?t produce findings for political reasons, he said.
Does anyone else see a conflict in the above two statements?
From the July Rand report
"And Texas schoolchildren - regardless of how much money their parents make or what race they are - are likely to do better than counterparts in other states, RAND concluded in the report released Tuesday. California children had the lowest scores in the several socio-economic categories examined by RAND, a think tank based in Santa Monica, Calif. (Associated Press, 7/25/00)
Still doing some research, more later.
jjm = spltifire = raspewtin
Idiots who can only call names and bring nothing to the discussion. All three (or is it just one) when cornered scream, "Aha! You have no credibility." like that grants them victory.
Forget it, losers! Except for Red Dawn, you admit you defeat with every post you make.
NEXT!
RD: How am I a conspiracy nut? Let me guess...you accept the "lone bomber" theory. God, you're such a dupe. I was friends with a man who's oldest daughter was injured in OKC (she was in a building across the street, her car was destroyed) and he's a licensed bodyguard. He got info from OKC emergency response team members about the situation. It's common knowledge, but people like you refuse to even evaluate it because it would shatter your bedrock belief that the government is all good and all caring.
Q: Why didn't the government call a single witness that could place McVeigh in front of the Murah Bldg.? It was 9 am on a business day. A truck pulls up and no one saw the driver?
A: They didn't call witnesses because Timmy wasn't alone! Remember John Doe #2? He was initially wanted and then un-wanted. Why? He was there. Why did he "disappear"?
A whole lot of unanswered questions are there, but they'll never be asked because people like you don't want to know the answers. No need to cover anything up when the people willingly blind themselves.
Flashback: It was April 1995. Due to their failed power grab, the Democrats had lost Congress for the first time in 40 years. People were waking up to the possibility that government was getting a teensy bit too big and intrusive. Militias were growing and people didn't mind....then....
BLAMMO!!!!
Clinton blamed talk radio. He blamed the militias. He blamed Newt and Co. for the "hostile, anti-govt. rhetoric".
And suddenly, the public didn't seem to hungry for freedom. Not if it meant being lumped in with crazed bombers and those wackos who keep talking about "Constitutional rights". Leave us alone, don't call us names, don't think ill of us.
We'll be good.
A few months earlier, Clinton said the "era of big government was over" and if Gore wins, he'll be right, because it'll be replaced with the era of INCREDIBLY F*CKING HUGE HAND OVER YOUR WALLET BUDDY WE GOT SOME FAIRNESS TO BRING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE government instead.
Lovely.
This is pointless. Y'all know that the RAND Issue Paper is nothing more than election time pranking and can't admit that you're chosen Savior still inhales massive rectum, so you've decided to try and take down the one person willing to stand up and not back down. You and your gang are sooooooooooo brave and strong. Woohoo!
Blow me.
Idiots who can only call names and bring nothing to the discussion. All three (or is it just one) when cornered scream, "Aha! You have no credibility." like that grants them victory.
Forget it, losers! Except for Red Dawn, you admit you defeat with every post you make.
NEXT!
RD: How am I a conspiracy nut? Let me guess...you accept the "lone bomber" theory. God, you're such a dupe. I was friends with a man who's oldest daughter was injured in OKC (she was in a building across the street, her car was destroyed) and he's a licensed bodyguard. He got info from OKC emergency response team members about the situation. It's common knowledge, but people like you refuse to even evaluate it because it would shatter your bedrock belief that the government is all good and all caring.
Q: Why didn't the government call a single witness that could place McVeigh in front of the Murah Bldg.? It was 9 am on a business day. A truck pulls up and no one saw the driver?
A: They didn't call witnesses because Timmy wasn't alone! Remember John Doe #2? He was initially wanted and then un-wanted. Why? He was there. Why did he "disappear"?
A whole lot of unanswered questions are there, but they'll never be asked because people like you don't want to know the answers. No need to cover anything up when the people willingly blind themselves.
Flashback: It was April 1995. Due to their failed power grab, the Democrats had lost Congress for the first time in 40 years. People were waking up to the possibility that government was getting a teensy bit too big and intrusive. Militias were growing and people didn't mind....then....
BLAMMO!!!!
Clinton blamed talk radio. He blamed the militias. He blamed Newt and Co. for the "hostile, anti-govt. rhetoric".
And suddenly, the public didn't seem to hungry for freedom. Not if it meant being lumped in with crazed bombers and those wackos who keep talking about "Constitutional rights". Leave us alone, don't call us names, don't think ill of us.
We'll be good.
A few months earlier, Clinton said the "era of big government was over" and if Gore wins, he'll be right, because it'll be replaced with the era of INCREDIBLY F*CKING HUGE HAND OVER YOUR WALLET BUDDY WE GOT SOME FAIRNESS TO BRING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE government instead.
Lovely.
This is pointless. Y'all know that the RAND Issue Paper is nothing more than election time pranking and can't admit that you're chosen Savior still inhales massive rectum, so you've decided to try and take down the one person willing to stand up and not back down. You and your gang are sooooooooooo brave and strong. Woohoo!
Blow me.
<< Idiots who can only call names and bring nothing to the discussion. >>
Geez, Dirk, took you long enough to recognize that, didn't you?
It's amazing, well expected actually, that some people waltz into a thread, contribute absolutely nothing to the entire subject of the thread, and then claim righteousness in their lofty seat in the clouds. Quite funny actually.
etech: It's good to see some people actually reading sources and discussing the issues. I'll have to read that link tomorrow.
I didn't do any more research, got busy helping my daughter with her homework, apropos wouldn't you say.
One thing that bothers me about both Gore's and Gov. Bush's proposals it their call for national testing to see how schools are doing. I believe they also tie funding to the results also. My fear is that teachers will start to "teach the test".
Little Johnny raises his hand to ask a question.
Teacher, that's not on the national test, don't worry about it.
There needs to be a way to evaluate schools on how well they are teaching the students without dumbing it down to a national test. I don't have the solution. Any ideas?
I also do not like the idea of someone in Washington, deciding what is on the test.
Saw something about India and their test scores vs. the US tonight(forgot where). Basacially it was the students in India are scoring very high with much lower funding for schools then US students. Throwing money is not always the solution.
One thing that bothers me about both Gore's and Gov. Bush's proposals it their call for national testing to see how schools are doing. I believe they also tie funding to the results also. My fear is that teachers will start to "teach the test".
Little Johnny raises his hand to ask a question.
Teacher, that's not on the national test, don't worry about it.
There needs to be a way to evaluate schools on how well they are teaching the students without dumbing it down to a national test. I don't have the solution. Any ideas?
I also do not like the idea of someone in Washington, deciding what is on the test.
Saw something about India and their test scores vs. the US tonight(forgot where). Basacially it was the students in India are scoring very high with much lower funding for schools then US students. Throwing money is not always the solution.
Hehe, do these national tests have an effect on the students grades? I'm asking because when i was still in high school 2 years ago we had some state testing(california). problem was that no one cared... why should i bother trying if it doesn't affect me at all.. hehe i think i'll just mark off all the c's then take a nap
Testing is useless, just track student success through college. Its not exactly short term but whatever
Testing is useless, just track student success through college. Its not exactly short term but whatever
Good post Etech.
I think about the same as you,but I can't see 50 different tests based on state cariculems. Mostly I see that as a nightmare.
If we are going to have are children participating in a global economy,as it sure seems that is the thrust of business now,I think that a responsible national test based on global input,and the test being evaluated on a global level,then dispursed to the states school boards for local adminstration,ALL children would have the same goal as those perhaps in India,or Japan,or anywhere else.
I see that as a proper way for the Federal government to play in the education of our children,as well as insuring smaller class size(for obvious reasons)and dedicated, profesional teachers who are paid comsenerate with thier abilities at a pay level that doesn't make them eligable for foodstamps. In this state,teachers are paid low,but administrators are living high on the hog. It's time to correct that as well.
Teachers should not be putting out of thier own pockets for classroom supplies either. I seee that all the time here.And the parents are sheling out $100+ a student for activity cards and other sundries as if they where in college or something.I'm talking kindergrten through 12 grade. The tax dollars spent for education bare major, MAJOR scrutiny. It reminds me of $800 hammers for the military, and $400 toilet seats. Time to clean up the waste and fraud in government spending on education.
I think about the same as you,but I can't see 50 different tests based on state cariculems. Mostly I see that as a nightmare.
If we are going to have are children participating in a global economy,as it sure seems that is the thrust of business now,I think that a responsible national test based on global input,and the test being evaluated on a global level,then dispursed to the states school boards for local adminstration,ALL children would have the same goal as those perhaps in India,or Japan,or anywhere else.
I see that as a proper way for the Federal government to play in the education of our children,as well as insuring smaller class size(for obvious reasons)and dedicated, profesional teachers who are paid comsenerate with thier abilities at a pay level that doesn't make them eligable for foodstamps. In this state,teachers are paid low,but administrators are living high on the hog. It's time to correct that as well.
Teachers should not be putting out of thier own pockets for classroom supplies either. I seee that all the time here.And the parents are sheling out $100+ a student for activity cards and other sundries as if they where in college or something.I'm talking kindergrten through 12 grade. The tax dollars spent for education bare major, MAJOR scrutiny. It reminds me of $800 hammers for the military, and $400 toilet seats. Time to clean up the waste and fraud in government spending on education.
Ugh, please dont' compare the us education system with india's
First of all, a dollar goes alot farther there then it does here. Its too much of a stretch
Does anyone know if all of india's children go to public school? From what i've read there are many poor areas where children don't
First of all, a dollar goes alot farther there then it does here. Its too much of a stretch
Does anyone know if all of india's children go to public school? From what i've read there are many poor areas where children don't
Zucchini
Oh no,I am not comparing our schools or the school system to India's or any other country.I am thinking out loud that if we are in a global economy,the school testing should be tied to things more universaly related to that global economy. Therefor,the math,science,history,civics should be on a scale of apptitude of that of each childs peers throughout the world,not just in a single state or school district.Of course reading apptitude and skill is according to the English language here in the US,but it seems to me proficiency levels should be at the same as for a japenese student,a russian student,a german student,a french student,and so on and so on.
I'm sure if you took the best of the best training methods from the entire global picture, the government could come up with a national standard that all schools could administer,along with a minumum cariculum standard that would prepare our students to particpate in that global economy ,at (we would hope), the same or better proficiency than others outside our system.
Our goal for our children should not be to "Just get By" it should be to excel beyond ones highest expectations.
We would surely put out a fine product with that kind of system,I think.
Oh no,I am not comparing our schools or the school system to India's or any other country.I am thinking out loud that if we are in a global economy,the school testing should be tied to things more universaly related to that global economy. Therefor,the math,science,history,civics should be on a scale of apptitude of that of each childs peers throughout the world,not just in a single state or school district.Of course reading apptitude and skill is according to the English language here in the US,but it seems to me proficiency levels should be at the same as for a japenese student,a russian student,a german student,a french student,and so on and so on.
I'm sure if you took the best of the best training methods from the entire global picture, the government could come up with a national standard that all schools could administer,along with a minumum cariculum standard that would prepare our students to particpate in that global economy ,at (we would hope), the same or better proficiency than others outside our system.
Our goal for our children should not be to "Just get By" it should be to excel beyond ones highest expectations.
We would surely put out a fine product with that kind of system,I think.
Ooooh cool - another political thread. Does this mean somebody is going to go stomping off in a snit? -
The Feds have ZERO business in the education business. The school is down the street from me, not in Washington, so WTF do they get to control our school?!?
The government schools have been a disaster as they chase one fad or trendy pop psychology trend or another. So what if kids can't read? What ever happened to the Three R's?
Smaller class size, wiring the schools to the Internet. I dunno, but they didn't have those things when the Founding Fathers were around or even in the early part of the 20th Century, but somehow they mangaed to build a country and invent lots of stuff that's usefull.
"Outcomes Based Education", "Goals 2000", "Lifelong Learning", "Whole Language" have been some of the garbage dumped on our children. Why do you think that Home Schooling is growing in popularity? Why are the winner's of the National Spelling Bees, etc. home schooled. PARENTS can control the curiculum and actually teach the fundamentals without worrying that their 2nd graders are being instructed in lesbian sex practices and what not.
Tripleshot makes his usual liberal anti-military smack against the military (I agree that there's waste, but we're not gonna disarm for you and yer Commie buddies, so piss off) in the cause of more money for schools.
I've got a perfect solution for school funding:
ABOLISH SPORTS!!!
When it's time to cut budgets, they always cut the arts (choir, band, theatre) in favor of football, etc. Sports provide nothing of value to society except breeding elite BMOC assholes who rape women and get away with behavior that no one else would tolerate. (Daryl Strawberry, Sergei Federov, et al) I don't know about you, but the last time I was banging a 15-year old when I was 30, the authorities wanted to discuss the situation, not go, "Hee hee, he's banging that tennis slut."
Schools should go back to basics with LOCAL CONTROL and PARENTAL CONTROL. Otherwise, it's just brainwashing.
The government schools have been a disaster as they chase one fad or trendy pop psychology trend or another. So what if kids can't read? What ever happened to the Three R's?
Smaller class size, wiring the schools to the Internet. I dunno, but they didn't have those things when the Founding Fathers were around or even in the early part of the 20th Century, but somehow they mangaed to build a country and invent lots of stuff that's usefull.
"Outcomes Based Education", "Goals 2000", "Lifelong Learning", "Whole Language" have been some of the garbage dumped on our children. Why do you think that Home Schooling is growing in popularity? Why are the winner's of the National Spelling Bees, etc. home schooled. PARENTS can control the curiculum and actually teach the fundamentals without worrying that their 2nd graders are being instructed in lesbian sex practices and what not.
Tripleshot makes his usual liberal anti-military smack against the military (I agree that there's waste, but we're not gonna disarm for you and yer Commie buddies, so piss off) in the cause of more money for schools.
I've got a perfect solution for school funding:
ABOLISH SPORTS!!!
When it's time to cut budgets, they always cut the arts (choir, band, theatre) in favor of football, etc. Sports provide nothing of value to society except breeding elite BMOC assholes who rape women and get away with behavior that no one else would tolerate. (Daryl Strawberry, Sergei Federov, et al) I don't know about you, but the last time I was banging a 15-year old when I was 30, the authorities wanted to discuss the situation, not go, "Hee hee, he's banging that tennis slut."
Schools should go back to basics with LOCAL CONTROL and PARENTAL CONTROL. Otherwise, it's just brainwashing.
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