The Tea Party's Efforts to Crack Down on the "Banksters" May Soon Pay Off

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110103/pl_nm/us_usa_congress_financial

Republicans in the new Congress could put the budget squeeze on two powerful regulatory agencies to slow President Barack Obama's crackdown on Wall Street.
The delay could give a reprieve to big Wall Street players ranging from Goldman Sachs to BlackRock who, through their lobby groups, have been pressing regulators to slow their furious pace to impose a new rule book on the financial sector called for by the reform law.
But if they [the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission] don't get more money by their July deadlines, the agencies will need to pick and choose what rules to enforce.

So what do the Tea Partiers think of this?

However, I seem to recall the argument made that "the Banksters" were actually not to blame for the recession, but black people buying houses were.
 

sandorski

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The Tea Party is only as relevant as the Republicans need to whip up some support. They have become the new OMG Socialism/OMG Gay Marriage/OMG Terrorists!
 

Siddhartha

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Voting GOP to crack down on the banks makes as much sense as voting GOP to end to Bush era tax cuts
 

Hacp

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There is a simple way to regulate banks. Get rid of their corporate charters. That is in fact less government because corporate charters are an artificial entity created by government.
 

Steeplerot

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Nationalize the US Government. Give the banksters one way tickets to dig diamonds in africa or make usb cables in Chinese sweatshops for eternity.
 

boomerang

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There are going to be a lot of changes coming. They're going to start really, really soon. The anxiety train is leaving the station.

If we're lucky, the hard choices will be made and we may just survive with some semblance of what we once were. Victory will entail everyone taking a haircut.

This forum is going to be post after post of angst at the changes being made and changes proposed. Brace for impact because there's no turning back.
 
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I must be wrong, because the way i read it, it explains that the tea party causes a delay in the efforts to control wall street. This is exactly what i am so frustrated about. Because of this endless attacking each other between democrats and republicans, the Ayn Rand followers in wall street have their chance to do what they need to do. Afcourse some delusional person as for example Alex Jones (A radio host with a religious republican background ) will come up with another conspiracy theory about how some evil mastermind is orchestrating this all. o_O

The delay could give a reprieve to big Wall Street players ranging from Goldman Sachs to BlackRock who, through their lobby groups, have been pressing regulators to slow their furious pace to impose a new rule book on the financial sector called for by the reform law.

My opinion :
Now i honestly did not discuss the way the democrats think of handling wall street because that just stinks too. So much money for what ? Better lobby to re inforce an reinstalled and improved version of the Glass-Steagall act. Politics should be done while using a negative feedback loop to correct any errors and loopholes in laws. The ideal is a minimum but required amount of laws and regulations but without loopholes.
 
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IronWing

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There are going to be a lot of changes coming. They're going to start really, really soon. The anxiety train is leaving the station.

If we're lucky, the hard choices will be made and we may just survive with some semblance of what we once were. Victory will entail everyone taking a haircut.

This forum is going to be post after post of angst at the changes being made and changes proposed. Brace for impact because there's no turning back.
Changes will be made, but not for a bit longer. The driver will not be the President or the Congress. The driver will be the treasuries market. The continuation of borrow and spend exemplified in the extension of the Bush tax cuts (now the Bush-Obama tax cuts?) and the refusal to re-regulate the financial sector have sent a strong message that the US will not get its own house in order. The Chinese will be here to collect the bed curtains as the US economy lay dead on the bed.
 

boomerang

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Changes will be made, but not for a bit longer. The driver will not be the President or the Congress. The driver will be the treasuries market. The continuation of borrow and spend exemplified in the extension of the Bush tax cuts (now the Bush-Obama tax cuts?) and the refusal to re-regulate the financial sector have sent a strong message that the US will not get its own house in order. The Chinese will be here to collect the bed curtains as the US economy lay dead on the bed.
I was referring to the new Congress about to convene. The short sighted are only looking at the here and now. Anything long term is beyond their grasp.

Yes, we are headed for big, big problems. The saving grace if there is one is that it will be global. China of course will be the next superpower. Let's hope they'll be benevolent dictators.
 

jman19

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I must be wrong, because they way i read it, it explains that the tea party causes a delay in the efforts to control wall street. This is exactly what i am so frustrated about. Because of this endless attacking each other between democrats and republicans, the Ayn Rand followers in wall street have their chance to do what they need to do. Afcourse some delusional person as for example Alex Jones (A radio host with a religious republican background ) will come up with another conspiracy theory about how some evil mastermind is orchestrating this all. o_O



My opinion :
Now i honestly did not discuss the way the democrats think of handling wall street because that just stinks too. So much money for what ? Better lobby to re inforce an reinstalled and improved version of the Glass-Steagall act. Politics should be done while using a negative feedback loop to correct any errors and loopholes in laws. The ideal is a minimum but required amount of laws and regulations but without loopholes.

OP is being sarcastic.
 

zephyrprime

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I was referring to the new Congress about to convene. The short sighted are only looking at the here and now. Anything long term is beyond their grasp.

Yes, we are headed for big, big problems. The saving grace if there is one is that it will be global. China of course will be the next superpower. Let's hope they'll be benevolent dictators.
What makes you think he's not referring to the new congress?
 

Phokus

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Banks know they have leverage with the US Government and thus make all sorts of risky bets. If they don't get bailed out when those risky bets blow up, they take the whole US economy with them. This is what you get with publicly traded companies. When investment banks were privately owned by the bankers, they were more prudent because it was THEIR money that was at risk.

This is why the US should mirror Canada's banking system and HEAVILY regulate the banks. Canadian banks aren't allowed to use as much leverage to make their money as US banks.
 

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I was referring to the new Congress about to convene. The short sighted are only looking at the here and now. Anything long term is beyond their grasp.

Yes, we are headed for big, big problems. The saving grace if there is one is that it will be global. China of course will be the next superpower. Let's hope they'll be benevolent dictators.

Yeah, but you also said the Dow was headed for below 6000 by December and all sorts of loony bat-shittery about gov't controlling our lives. Forgive me in advance if I chuckle at boomerang posts.
 
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Banks know they have leverage with the US Government and thus make all sorts of risky bets. If they don't get bailed out when those risky bets blow up, they take the whole US economy with them. This is what you get with publicly traded companies. When investment banks were privately owned by the bankers, they were more prudent because it was THEIR money that was at risk.

This is why the US should mirror Canada's banking system and HEAVILY regulate the banks. Canadian banks aren't allowed to use as much leverage to make their money as US banks.

Indeed. The Israeli's prevented this as well after research of the Bach'ar commission. However, the greedy bastards of some countries in the EU who wanted to be wallstreet wannabes so hard jumped right in as well, ignoring all warnings.

Bach'ar commission, smart honest fellows.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/taking-stock-bachar-s-big-bang-1.139763

The Big Bang refers not only to the theory of creation, but also to the 1986 reform in London, in which the stock exchange was automated.

While the reform of the LSE addressed that exchange's unique problems, its goal was much the same as that of the Bachar reform: to free the market of the shackles that hamper its development and allow it to burst ahead.


Eighteen years later, London is the world's second-most important business hub. Without the Big Bang, it would never have happened.

Probably even 18 years wouldn't suffice to make Israel an international business hub. The goals of the reform presented on Monday were more modest: to close the gaps that developed over the decades between the capital markets here and in the rest of the world.

The presentation of the report, compiled by an inter-disciplinary team headed by treasury director-general Joseph Bachar, was an event of historic moment for Israel's economy.

Never before had five different arms of government, each highly opinionated and powerful - the Finance Ministry, the Bank of Israel, the Israel Securities Authority, the Justice Ministry and the Antitrust Authority - teamed up to brainstorm a problem and find a solution to which all were committed.

On the contrary, Israel's macroeconomic history had been rife with spats between the regulators. The nation had been pulled by differing policies and philosophies, opposing strategies, colliding agendas, cowardly bureaucrats terrified of the rich and powerful and, mainly, spasmodic ideas doomed to wilt and die.

The A+ team

The Bachar team avoided all those pitfalls. The highest-ranking experts in government - economists, accountants, lawyers, experts on banking, financing and the capital market - discussed the issues thoroughly.

The team members were the cream of the cream, people who had devoted their professional lives to economics and the capital market. Not their aides, the leaders themselves.

And behind these men stood not only their own extensive personal experience, but also their entire institutions. All the economists and watchdogs of the Bank of Israel's supervisor of banks, all the legal experts at the justice and finance ministries, and all the capital market mavens at the treasury's commission supervising insurance and the capital market.

Unlike previous panels in Israeli history, the Bachar team was manned by objective people whose sole interest was the public's greater good.

Yes, they had a personal interest - to protect their reputation. But, if anything, that impelled them to compile a reform that would be brave, clever, fundamental, balanced and feasible.

The reform the Bachar team designed is dramatic. It will detach the banks from the capital market, creating an entirely new market architecture.

But the most powerful people in the land have lined up against the Bachar commission: the bankers, the banks' shareholders and their friends, who among other things wield influence at the Prime Minister's Office.

A crying need for reform

The power of the panel derives from its professionalism and from the unshaken belief of the team members in the model they have created. Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put it well when asked what the reform's chances are if he resigns.

"It is ripening," he stated. "By now everybody understands the crying need for this reform."

This is not a matter of some reform-crazed underling or even a minister; this is sweeping acknowledgment that 55 years after Israel's establishment, and 21 years after the banks collapsed in disgrace, it is time for the State of Israel to have a proper capital market.

A nice surprise

The biggest positive surprise regarding the report involves the man who led it - Dr. Yossi Bachar, the director-general of the Finance Ministry.

We must admit, when we first met him, during his first months on the job, we were skeptical. We feared the associations he nurtured during his many years of work as an accountant and adviser to the bankers and to other wealthy and powerful men might hamper fulfillment of his duty to the public.

With uncharacteristic frankness, Bachar disclosed on Monday that he had also recoiled when presented with the concept, which had been lying around closed drawers at the Bank of Israel and Finance Ministry for years, of divorcing the banks from the capital market. Complete, utter detachment.

But he studied the issues, he delved and dredged, and the more people he met with and the more he learned, the more convinced he became. "I was skeptical, too, but I saw you can't argue with the facts," he concluded.

Armed with amiable comportment, Bachar managed to usher the seven brilliant egomaniacs around the table into an accord, the Bachar report, which all support.

But now the government and Knesset have to vote. If Bachar manages to push through his reform, absolutely detaching the banks from their provident and mutual funds and changing their model of fees, then he can write in his resume: While at the treasury, I led the biggest reform in the history of Israel's capital market. Indeed, one of Israel's biggest economic reforms ever.

To add, The reform did happen and Israel did not have any problems as the western banks had.
 
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