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The surge is working, look at those Iraqis squirm!

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I think after all the talk of the surge and how it's really having a positive effect, we should be glad to see the US military in action enacting the surge. NSFW

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4f2_1188341258

Oh wait, you mean opening up on Iraqi civilians like shooting fish in a barrel is NOT how the surge is supposed to work?

I've seen some pretty ugly videos of US soldiers killing civilians before, but there usually was at least some degree of ambiguity that they could always be insurgents or in the wrong place at the wrong time, or they must be crossing a checkpoint and deserved it.

I really hope this isn't what it looks like. I heard the word sniper, so hoping this is the case.

* Edited to give benefit of the doubt
 
I'm sure glad to hear that our young men are learning that it is a lot of fun killing people.

I wonder if Audy Murphy had such a blast shooting at Germans.

I guess I am old school. I thought that killing people was only done as a grim necessity. The party atmosphere is not my cup of tea.
 
I CAN understand their laughter and bravado - it's a common reaction in the nervous aftermath of battle. I've seen guys bust a gut laughing after some seriously intense firefights, and I've also seen plenty of grunts bragging about their role in the fights with the whole "Dude, I did this.. or that..." or "Did you see that man?!" I've never really reacted that way myself, but I can sorta understand why they do it, especially the younger guys... It's simply the leaders' jobs to get them back under control and proceed with the mission.

Most of that wears off pretty quickly once they're back at their FOB winding down. The emotional rollercoaster that follows is kinda crazy...

That said, even if every single dead Iraqi in the video was armed, those idiot Marines (redundant? 😛) should never have released this video.
 
You call this bad?

Try posting that video of those contractors driving around shooting at random cars killing probably 20+ people.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I CAN understand their laughter and bravado - it's a common reaction in the nervous aftermath of battle. I've seen guys bust a gut laughing after some seriously intense firefights, and I've also seen plenty of grunts bragging about their role in the fights with the whole "Dude, I did this.. or that..." or "Did you see that man?!" I've never really reacted that way myself, but I can sorta understand why they do it, especially the younger guys... It's simply the leaders' jobs to get them back under control and proceed with the mission.

Most of that wears off pretty quickly once they're back at their FOB winding down. The emotional rollercoaster that follows is kinda crazy...

That said, even if every single dead Iraqi in the video was armed, those idiot Marines (redundant? 😛) should never have released this video.
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gott'a agree with most of what you posted palehorse. adrenaline mixed in with the fear of death and a healthy dose of revenge and hatred can do some really wierd stufff to the head. well, it did to me anyway. add to that how infectious that high is. all it takes is for one guy in the pile starting it up and the rest of the pile gets going.

otoh, all it would take is for one guy in the firing point to take a bad hit and then the mood swings the opposite way, back and forth, back and forth.

while watching the vid the first thing that came to my mind was how weak and porous that firing point was. i was really expecting at least a couple of inbound rpg rounds throughout the scrap, even after the call to cease fire.

it's always in the back of the mind that fear cannot take control over the situation, especially when the pucker factor is pegging out. their way of handling that omnipresent fear manifested itself that way. that's all there is to it.

so, i'm not making any excuses for how those guys behaved other than to say that their behaviour is not uncommon and really, no excuse is necessary. hell, even the oldtimer lifers would catch that rush if they were in the mix. especially so if you got the drop on the baddies like those guys did.



 
I didn't see any weapons from the cars that were going by... I think it's just a bunch of untrained hero's... Military at it's finest... Sure glad I wasn't over there. What comes around goes around.... I wonder how they will deal with this later in life?
 
Originally posted by: ericlp
I think it's just a bunch of untrained hero's... Military at it's finest...
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Yeah, the Marines are untrained...they just have the longest boot camp of any branch in the US. :roll:
 
Your actual combat training is unrelated to boot where it's about shutting the F up and learning to take orders. After that you get your specific MOS and CT. There are mostly good, and like anything else a few bad apples in every Military branch. SF no exception. In that case they look to have a POF on given intel. Intel may have been non specific about numbers or enemy tactics. They may have been given STK for anyone in in that grid at that specific time.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Too hard to figure out the context to make any judgements.
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You mean you dont want to prematurely judge the Marines on a situation that you have at best, limited knowledge of the situation?
 
Could very well have been a shooter or two blocking egress of troops down below before they went roofbound for clear line of sight advantage. You never know, unless you're privi to intel and CO tac intel/orders for the op or engagement be it impromptu or otherwise best not to post that and subsequently judge.
 
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