No one is disputing your effort and bravery. At $12 billion a month we can stop a bunch of bad guys in the US, build up our own crumbling infrastruture and provide health care for millions of Americans.
This is not a nation-building exercise. It's past time to declare victory and redeploy.
TastesLikeChicken
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In case you hadn't noticed, we're not having a pissing contest.
And in a pissing contest between you or any of the other of the "Iraq sucks because I said so and, OMG, here's the link that proves how much it sucks" crowd in here, and datalink7, I'll side with datalink7.
So thanks for yet another one of your delusions but it really comes off as a rather silly observation and pretty much pointless. But seeing how being pointless, and a leftist/socialist reactionary, is a badge you seem to wear proudly in P&N, I understand though.
So the next time we go to another country/local tribe/whatever and ask themselves to put their resources/security/well being/people on the line to help us, and they say, Will you stand by us and/or help us? And we say, Oh, of course! And then they say, Like when you abandoned the South Vietnamese? Like when you abandoned the Afghani's? Like when you abandoned the Iraqi's?
There's more to picking up our toys and going home than saving money and our peoples lives now.....
Chuck
While every troops life that is lost is tragic, the count of dead troops is by no means any valuable metric of how successful the occupation of Iraq is.
Some of the greatest battles in US history lost more men in single day than the entire invasion + occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan combined have lost in 7 years. Hell the marines lost 6,000 men taking the itty bitty island of Iwo Jima, and there were no civiilans around to get in the way. Compare that to a vast country like Iraq, with 25 million people running around and pourous borders, losing less than 4k is nothing short of miraculous.
But since it is a metric that is easy for people to understand, and the media doesnt have to do the work of actually analyzing the situations, it has become the defacto measuring stick in everyone's heads.
Some of the greatest battles in US history lost more men in single day than the entire invasion + occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan combined have lost in 7 years. Hell the marines lost 6,000 men taking the itty bitty island of Iwo Jima, and there were no civiilans around to get in the way. Compare that to a vast country like Iraq, with 25 million people running around and pourous borders, losing less than 4k is nothing short of miraculous.
But since it is a metric that is easy for people to understand, and the media doesnt have to do the work of actually analyzing the situations, it has become the defacto measuring stick in everyone's heads.
Wow...I wasn't aware Afghanistan and Pakistan had financial interests for us...or Somalia...or Colombia...etc.
I agree, we shouldn't get involved in stupid conflicts. That's why I'm glad the vastly superior UN and not us stopped the buthering going on in Sudan years ago so 100k's didn't needless die/get butchered. Oh wait.....
Chuck
What peace accord are you referring to?
EDIT: Oh wait I see you mean on a local scale. Nationally things seem to be falling apart in terms of Shia-Sunni relations unfortunately.
Lemon law
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As jpeyton points out---So what you're saying is we'll never secure the oil pipelines in our lifetime?
Not when you are talking about the inept leadership of GWB&co? Those dumb MF's could not secure a wall mart parking lot. They are totally incapable of understanding people.
And think that because they can get away with fooling the American people, that is enough.
Thank God for people like datalink7 and his command. At least they have a clue that its all about the Iraqi people. Who is more irrational, GWB&co. or the Iraqi thugs he has empowered? No matter what the answer is, the Iraqi people lose, we lose, and what do we expect? Tell it to the Iraqi people, we had to kill you to save you so we can steal your oil.
Not when you are talking about the inept leadership of GWB&co? Those dumb MF's could not secure a wall mart parking lot. They are totally incapable of understanding people.
And think that because they can get away with fooling the American people, that is enough.
Thank God for people like datalink7 and his command. At least they have a clue that its all about the Iraqi people. Who is more irrational, GWB&co. or the Iraqi thugs he has empowered? No matter what the answer is, the Iraqi people lose, we lose, and what do we expect? Tell it to the Iraqi people, we had to kill you to save you so we can steal your oil.
I agree. If we continue on this same path America will go the way of the British empire. Empires are meant to fall and/or crumble but nations remain strong and last for as long as they don't grow beyond their own means. This whole war was complete bullshit and staying in Iraq and baby sitting it indefinitely is also a bullshit view point that will cost us greatly in the end. Our country was not created or setup to act as nation builders.
palehorse
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I really wish you'd stop pretending to kiss datalink's ass after spending most of the last year insulting every other service-member in this forum on a daily basis.
You completely missed his point about all the good we ARE doing in Iraq, and all of the progress we ARE making over there every day; and then you went on to blow smoke up his ass by praising his efforts and proclaiming his word greater than everyone else' -- all the while snickering to yourself about what you honestly consider pointless and worthless efforts.
Do you really think he's dumb enough to fall for that bullsh*t? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth - again - and it's fvcking nauseating...
bah... maybe I'm speaking out of turn... or maybe datalink doesnt care...
but I do.
TastesLikeChicken
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Now that Sadr has called off his cease-fire, well see who was wrong in here and who wasn't. Though I suspect that if it doesn't go Sadr's way a few in here will argue that "Technically, Sadr didn't call off the cease-fire."
We'll see what happens though. imo, Sadr doesn't have nearly the cache in Iraq that some in here allot him.
Lemon law
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As Palehorse74 now bitterly complains about the following---I really wish you'd stop pretending to kiss datalink's ass after spending most of the last year insulting every other service-member in this forum on a daily basis.
You completely missed his point about all the good we ARE doing in Iraq, and all of the progress we ARE making over there every day; and then you went on to blow smoke up his ass by praising his efforts and proclaiming his word greater than everyone else' -- all the while snickering to yourself about what you honestly consider pointless and worthless efforts.
Do you really think he's dumb enough to fall for that bullsh*t? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth - again - and it's fvcking nauseating...
bah... maybe I'm speaking out of turn... or maybe datalink doesnt care...
but I do.
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Does it ever occur to you palehorse74, that there is a world of difference between your posts and those of datalinks7's. Datalink7's posts shows he is thinking about what the Iraqi people
are thinking about and what motivates THEM. Something totally missing in your posts where its all about you and your military service showing the savages how to live. And how they should be properly grateful.
And in terms of the wonderful progress that is happening everyday, with luck, it will take eighty or more years to get them back to where they were before we came. You flat out don't seem to care and seem to show no ability to put your selves in anyone else's shoes. And your knee jerk idea always seems to be to kill ideas and anyone who does not agree with you.
Get a clue, datalink7 and his command deserves the praise and you do not. They have the right stuff and the right way to conduct an occupation. And you clearly don't. And thats also seeming accounts for why, given our vast resources, we are making so little progress.
You completely missed his point about all the good we ARE doing in Iraq, and all of the progress we ARE making over there every day; and then you went on to blow smoke up his ass by praising his efforts and proclaiming his word greater than everyone else' -- all the while snickering to yourself about what you honestly consider pointless and worthless efforts.
Do you really think he's dumb enough to fall for that bullsh*t? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth - again - and it's fvcking nauseating...
bah... maybe I'm speaking out of turn... or maybe datalink doesnt care...
but I do.
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Does it ever occur to you palehorse74, that there is a world of difference between your posts and those of datalinks7's. Datalink7's posts shows he is thinking about what the Iraqi people
are thinking about and what motivates THEM. Something totally missing in your posts where its all about you and your military service showing the savages how to live. And how they should be properly grateful.
And in terms of the wonderful progress that is happening everyday, with luck, it will take eighty or more years to get them back to where they were before we came. You flat out don't seem to care and seem to show no ability to put your selves in anyone else's shoes. And your knee jerk idea always seems to be to kill ideas and anyone who does not agree with you.
Get a clue, datalink7 and his command deserves the praise and you do not. They have the right stuff and the right way to conduct an occupation. And you clearly don't. And thats also seeming accounts for why, given our vast resources, we are making so little progress.
More Chicken Scat.
1) Sadr has not called off his ceasefire. He extended the ceasefire for another 6 months in Febuary.
2) One year after the invasion of Iraq the DoD estimated the Mahdi Army troop strength at 3k lightly armed soldiers. Six months later the estimate tripled.
3) Projections now estimate Mahdi Army militias 'conseratively' above 50k. It is feared that significant numbers of Muqtada al-Sadr's supporters are now members of Iraq's facility protection forces.
4) The DoD has declared that the Mahdi Army "has replaced Al Qaeda in Iraq as the most dangerous accelerant of potentially self-sustaining sectarian violence in Iraq."
5) For those keeping score:
Mahdi Army - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 50k
"Concerned Local" Sunnis - - - - - 85k
Kurdish Armies- - - - - - - - - - - -100k
Iraq Army - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 120k
US - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 150k
6) There are an estimated 34,500 US troops in Gaghbad. There is a current drawdown of 2k - a combat brigade from the 82nd returning home after their 15-month tour.
7) Drawdowns are expected to reduce the overall US force in Iraq by 20k by the end of the summer - troops ending their 15-month tours.
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