The Supreme Court is going to make some huge decisions this month.

[tec699]

We have some major cases that will be decided this month by the Supreme Court:

Pledge of Alliegence
Detaining suspected terrorist without due process

There are other cases but I don't remember what they are. Anyone.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

interestingly enough i stand, for the most part, on the liberal side in both of these situations.

it's not right to tell people what they can and can't say, but it's also not right to force anyone to say any pledge at all.

I knew this when i was in kindergarten.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: tec699
We have some major cases that will be decided this month by the Supreme Court:

Pledge of Alliegence
Detaining suspected terrorist without due process

There are other cases but I don't remember what they are. Anyone.

interestingly enough i stand, for the most part, on the liberal side in both of these situations.

it's not right to tell people what they can and can't say, but it's also not right to force anyone to say any pledge at all. It's not a pledge if it's forced... now, not allowing the fellow kids to say "God" IS a problem with their freedom of speech.

The American government shouldn?t hold an American citizen without due process.

I knew this when I was in kindergarten... but back then i was a liberal t'll about the age of 12.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
interestingly enough i stand, for the most part, on the liberal side in both of these situations.

it's not right to tell people what they can and can't say, but it's also not right to force anyone to say any pledge at all.

I knew this when i was in kindergarten.

I don't think the matter is whether or not someone has the right to not say it, but whether it should be banned from schools because of the "under God" phrase

 

[chess9]

Pledge: 6-3 allowing it;
Terrorists: which case? Aren't there two of them?

-Robert

 

[wkabel23]

I think Newdow will win and I think detaining terrorists without due process will be deemed unconstitutional.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: tec699
We have some major cases that will be decided this month by the Supreme Court:

Pledge of Alliegence
Detaining suspected terrorist without due process

There are other cases but I don't remember what they are. Anyone.

interestingly enough i stand, for the most part, on the liberal side in both of these situations.

it's not right to tell people what they can and can't say, but it's also not right to force anyone to say any pledge at all. It's not a pledge if it's forced... now, not allowing the fellow kids to say "God" IS a problem with their freedom of speech.

The American government shouldn?t hold an American citizen without due process.

I knew this when I was in kindergarten... but back then i was a liberal t'll about the age of 12.

You aren't on the liberal side of either. You should take a good look at a lot of the other folks calling themselves conservatives and see just who's really on the liberal side of things.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: tec699
We have some major cases that will be decided this month by the Supreme Court:

Pledge of Alliegence
Detaining suspected terrorist without due process

There are other cases but I don't remember what they are. Anyone.

interestingly enough i stand, for the most part, on the liberal side in both of these situations.

it's not right to tell people what they can and can't say, but it's also not right to force anyone to say any pledge at all. It's not a pledge if it's forced... now, not allowing the fellow kids to say "God" IS a problem with their freedom of speech.

The American government shouldn?t hold an American citizen without due process.

I knew this when I was in kindergarten... but back then i was a liberal t'll about the age of 12.

We shouldn't hold anyone without due process.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
I think Newdow will win and I think detaining terrorists without due process will be deemed unconstitutional.

If Newdow wins then all churches and religion should be banned and shut down in the U.S. immediately. Only Fair.

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: tec699
We have some major cases that will be decided this month by the Supreme Court:

Pledge of Alliegence
Detaining suspected terrorist without due process

There are other cases but I don't remember what they are. Anyone.

interestingly enough i stand, for the most part, on the liberal side in both of these situations.

it's not right to tell people what they can and can't say, but it's also not right to force anyone to say any pledge at all. It's not a pledge if it's forced... now, not allowing the fellow kids to say "God" IS a problem with their freedom of speech.

The American government shouldn?t hold an American citizen without due process.

I knew this when I was in kindergarten... but back then i was a liberal t'll about the age of 12.

We shouldn't hold anyone without due process.

Its not the American way. We would seem to be so hypocritical if we did lock people up for no reason, just because thats what ruthless dictators do.

 

[Ozoned]

Considering the make up of the court, I would guess that the decisions will be based upon logic
and rational thinking.

 

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: chess9
Pledge: 6-3 allowing it;
Terrorists: which case? Aren't there two of them?

-Robert

Can't be. Scalia is taking a pass on this one.

DanceMan

 

[Infohawk]

Whatever the decisions will be, they will be undemocratic. There are a bunch of unelected people making our important decisions.

That said I hope US-born terrorists will made to be tried in a legit court for treason (and if they are guilty killed). The foreign-born ones need some due process to see if they are enemy combattants. And if they are, then imprisoning them is fair IMO.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: wkabel23
I think Newdow will win and I think detaining terrorists without due process will be deemed unconstitutional.

If Newdow wins then all churches and religion should be banned and shut down in the U.S. immediately. Only Fair.

Why?

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: UglyCassanova

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: wkabel23
I think Newdow will win and I think detaining terrorists without due process will be deemed unconstitutional.

If Newdow wins then all churches and religion should be banned and shut down in the U.S. immediately. Only Fair.

Why?

I didn't understand that either.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: wkabel23
...I think detaining terrorists without due process will be deemed unconstitutional.

theyre not citizens of the US and thus not granted rights and protections by the constitution. theyre also not uniform enemy combatants, and thus not subject to the protections granted by the geneva convention.

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Whatever the decisions will be, they will be undemocratic. There are a bunch of unelected people making our important decisions.

Yeah, damn that old piece of paper from the dark ages called The Constitution.

 

[chess9]

DanceMan:

Thanks for that. Didn't know, obviously. 5-3, then.

I haven't seen anyone's post re the two terrorist cases. Those are pretty interesting cases. Should we be holding people as enemy combatants without any access to a lawyer or charging them with anything? Seems indefensible to me.

-Robert