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The sun rose from the east this morning.

You make it sound like this is the natural way of things when on the contrary, it is anything but. Before Tony Blair came on the scene, the Tories held power for 84 of the previous 123 years. Mr. Blair's 8 years in power mark the longest period which the Conservatives have been out of power since the 18th century.
 
SOB should have been tossed out on his ear for the Iraq war fiasco. I don't want to hear the Brits acting superior anymore since they just voted YES in a referendum on Bush.

All that "Blair is Bush's poodle" crap.... Apparently they like voting for fvcking dogs then.
Actually, scratch that, it's totally insulting to the K-9 world....
 
Originally posted by: glenn1
You make it sound like this is the natural way of things when on the contrary, it is anything but. Before Tony Blair came on the scene, the Tories held power for 84 of the previous 123 years. Mr. Blair's 8 years in power mark the longest period which the Conservatives have been out of power since the 18th century.
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I wasn't refering to left vs right, I was just saying that we all knew it would happen. Which makes me remember....I forgot to check tradesport's odds, damn.

Originally posted by: arsbanned
SOB should have been tossed out on his ear for the Iraq war fiasco. I don't want to hear the Brits acting superior anymore since they just voted YES in a referendum on Bush.

All that "Blair is Bush's poodle" crap.... Apparently they like voting for fvcking dogs then.
Actually, scratch that, it's totally insulting to the K-9 world....
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well at least he's unlikely to to survive more than 2 years...
 
So every country who went to iraq has re-elected their leadership?
With the exception of Spain?
 
Imagine how happy the GOP would be to loose a hundred seats ?

It would make me happy - especially if it included Tom DElay, Trent Lot, Bill Frist, and Denis Hastert.
They have all the appeal of lukewarm swill.
 
This shows that the British as as gullible and brainless as we are. We elected Bush, they elected Blair. At least I will no longer be mocked by my British friends and I can mock them at will 🙂
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
SOB should have been tossed out on his ear for the Iraq war fiasco. I don't want to hear the Brits acting superior anymore since they just voted YES in a referendum on Bush.

All that "Blair is Bush's poodle" crap.... Apparently they like voting for fvcking dogs then.
Actually, scratch that, it's totally insulting to the K-9 world....
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The only British people that acted superior were hypocrites. Same goes for the Australians.

These two peoples seem to want to vote for morons even more, too.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
This shows that the British as as gullible and brainless as we are. We elected Bush, they elected Blair. At least I will no longer be mocked by my British friends and I can mock them at will 🙂
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Exactly. I've been lectured by more Brits.... Gahhhh!
 
Congrats to Blair, and not because he is "Bush's puppet". Bush is a silly monkey, but Blair tells people how it is going to be and does it. :thumbsup:
I don't want to hear the Brits acting superior anymore since they just voted YES in a referendum on Bush.
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That's condescending and egocentric 😛 England's economy has done very well under Blair's reign. There's more to electing him than the Iraq war, just as it was not Bush's only approach to reelection.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
There's more to electing him than the Iraq war, just as it was not Bush's only approach to reelection.
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Yeah, even with the Iraq war, Blair and labour still have a big support base. But due to that war they lost a heck of a lot of seats.

But desipite the Iraq war, I have always gotten the feeling that most brits would pick him and labour over the Tories anyday.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
This shows that the British as as gullible and brainless as we are. We elected Bush, they elected Blair. At least I will no longer be mocked by my British friends and I can mock them at will 🙂
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Or maybe you are on the wrong side of public opinion.

 
There's a difference...

Blair actually had to defend himself and explain his stance on the Iraq war many, many times in openly hostile public situations.

Where as Bush, well, apart from an hour a year (press conference, which is still heavily prepackaged) all the people hear of him is what his speechwriters come up with.

So, they can still make fun of us for electing someone who hasn't had to explain a single mistake along the way.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
So every country who went to iraq has re-elected their leadership?
With the exception of Spain?
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If they did, what does that say about the whiners and complainers in here?
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh look another leader who was supposed to be tossed out over Iraq wasnt.
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Haha, didn't see these types of comments coming or anything 🙂 :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: aswedc
There's a difference...

Blair actually had to defend himself and explain his stance on the Iraq war many, many times in openly hostile public situations.

Where as Bush, well, apart from an hour a year (press conference, which is still heavily prepackaged) all the people hear of him is what his speechwriters come up with.

So, they can still make fun of us for electing someone who hasn't had to explain a single mistake along the way.
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One has to ask where you were during the debates.


 
Originally posted by: fornax
This shows that the British as as gullible and brainless as we are. We elected Bush, they elected Blair. At least I will no longer be mocked by my British friends and I can mock them at will 🙂
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Well the Brits are enjoying decent economic growth (good considering it's Europe) and reasonable budget discipline (increased services AND increased taxes). If Bush had presided over a decent economy and reasonable budget discipline . . . I might have considered voting for him.

Then again, the Tories sux so bad that the only other choice in the UK was the Liberal Dems . . . and they make our Liberal Dems look like Goldwater.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: aswedc
There's a difference...

Blair actually had to defend himself and explain his stance on the Iraq war many, many times in openly hostile public situations.

Where as Bush, well, apart from an hour a year (press conference, which is still heavily prepackaged) all the people hear of him is what his speechwriters come up with.

So, they can still make fun of us for electing someone who hasn't had to explain a single mistake along the way.
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One has to ask where you were during the debates.
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Our debates aren't anything close to what I saw on a British television program called "Question Time with Tony Blair." It was random audience members asking hard-nosed questions to Tony Blair and he'd have to defend himself on the spot. They also had follow-up questions and pretty much anything went. In the debates, Bush was asked "name 3 mistakes you have made," and he completely ignored the question. In this show, people would say to Tony Blair, "you said you did this, but you really did this, explain youself." Then after Tony Blair fumbled for a response, they'd drill him again. I don't think anyone would disagree that we should be allowed to do the same to our leaders.
 
Before all of you sudden converts to the UK Labor Party get too happy you'd better read some analysis of the election. Blair didn't do well at all. He'll be trying to hold together a weak government with as a damaged leader.

You know, in the UK you can't fake a "mandate" like you can here in the USA.

Iraq war batters Blair at ballot box

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The extent of the apparent losses triggered doubts from many politicians and political analysts that Blair, who celebrates his 52nd birthday today, would be able to serve out a full four-year term. They expect Blair will face pressure to hand off leadership of his party and the government to Gordon Brown, Britain's finance minister, perhaps as early as this year.

"This is the end of the Blair era," said Martin Farr, a political historian at Newcastle University. "There will be a workable majority, but it is severely limited."

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According to exit polls, voters abandoned the Labor Party in droves, with the disaffected splitting their votes between the Conservative Party led by Michael Howard, who labeled Blair a "liar" during the campaign, and the Liberal Democrats under Charles Kennedy, who said Blair had exercised bad judgment in going to war.

Minor candidates also received significant support in key races. In one high-profile East London race, a new party called Respect, led by ex-Labor firebrand George Galloway, toppled Labor incumbent Oona King by appealing to antiwar passions among immigrant Muslim voters.
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: aswedc
There's a difference...

Blair actually had to defend himself and explain his stance on the Iraq war many, many times in openly hostile public situations.

Where as Bush, well, apart from an hour a year (press conference, which is still heavily prepackaged) all the people hear of him is what his speechwriters come up with.

So, they can still make fun of us for electing someone who hasn't had to explain a single mistake along the way.
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One has to ask where you were during the debates.
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The debates where all Bush could say was "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" along with all the other soundbites he memorized beforehand? Uh huh.

Even if you want to count that, he just dodged serious questions to go back to his campaign talking points on the subject. Unfortuntely, the Bush campaign had no stance on "mistakes", so he didn't answer that question.

This is a bipartisan problem. Like mribnik1 said, I don't see how you can support this lack of real accountability.

Not even close to what Blair has faced, from the public and from MPs.
 
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