The Strip by Brian McFadden

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OK point granted Perknose, McFadden is an idiot, where does it lead us when the USA has no shortage of idiots.

Where are those in the USA who have some insights, when to some extent, you Perknose fail to find them? Maybe my comments are more directed at Hayabusa Rider, but laughing our ass off leads us all nowhere.
 

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That was poorly written. Even if I think the topic is stupid, it can be made funny...The Daily Show is a pefect example of how to make stupid topics funny.
 

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Conceptually it was good for a chuckle, but it didn't really deliver a powerful punchline. Then at the end when I saw the "Don't be a Romney" line it made sense why somebody would write a strip that would have been more relevant a year or two ago today instead.

Still cute though.
 

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Conceptually it was good for a chuckle, but it didn't really deliver a powerful punchline. Then at the end when I saw the "Don't be a Romney" line it made sense why somebody would write a strip that would have been more relevant a year or two ago today instead.

Still cute though.
Pretty relevant to this recent story.
 

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OK point granted Perknose, McFadden is an idiot, where does it lead us when the USA has no shortage of idiots.

Where are those in the USA who have some insights, when to some extent, you Perknose fail to find them? Maybe my comments are more directed at Hayabusa Rider, but laughing our ass off leads us all nowhere.

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McFadden's not an idiot. He lampoons idiots. And . . . WHAT comments are you directing at Haya?

Also, would you care to explain what you think you meant by the bolded? It reads like gibberish.

But HEY KIDS, LOOK! There's 11 of them in that series. Be the first on your block to collect and read them all! My current fave: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/01/08/opinion/sunday/the-strip.html#7
 

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Pretty relevant to this recent story.

That wasn't actually a news story. Read it again, paying careful attention to the structure of the story. It is a bunch of disparate bits thrown in the editorial food processor and set in a jelly mold filled with the author's manufactured tone. It is an editorial whose tone isn't actually reflective of the interviews it quotes. Worse than that, it is an editorial about an editorial.

I'm not saying I have particular sympathy for anyone living paycheck to paycheck on $350K. On the other hand, despite the author's best intentions to make it seem otherwise, there is no indication that Mr. Schiff was actually asking for sympathy either. All we have are very brief quotes of another article from Bloomberg (which may have been doing the same thing), which quoted an interview that this author appears not even to have read, set in a matrix of emotionally charged editorializing.The first quote is nine - not even contiguous - words whose toen has been filtered by two rounds of editorializing. We don't even know what the original question was. All we know is how we are supposed to feel about the answer.

The second quote at least managed to remain an intact sentence, but is clearly put to the reader in such a way that the meaning is twisted. "I am (now) a posterchild for all that is venal and insidious in the world." is tossed out as an atomic thought. The reader is supposed to take it as Schiff's description of himself when it is clearly a description of how he feels the editorializing process created an impression of him and set him up to be perceived as "the poster child of all that is venal and insidious in the world."

It is entirely possible that the original interviews were obtained under the pretext of beign lifestyle snapshots for a light piece in a business publication. An interviewer might ask "Tell me about where you live", and the interviewee says with a chuckle "We live on the low rung on the brownstone ladder". "Do you rent or own?" "Oh we rent." "Why?" "If we bought this place it would consume every dime of our savings." "Where would you like to be living in five years?" "If the economy turns around and things start getting better I would love to have another bedroom." And so on. That hits the cutting room and suddenly the guy is whining because he had the nerve to be candid. Most people who have been interviewed for pieces like this know the drill.

The [current] story was manufactured. No I don't have sympathy for them, but then again I don't believe they were ever asking for it. The editors who created the story wanted people to think they were. The lengthy blog post by M. Todd Henderson about two years ago about how hard it was, that would have been a relevant time to write a strip like this. He put it out there in his own words and the tone was actually his. Now it's just piling onto a fake Fox-like electioneering hit piece.
 

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That wasn't actually a news story. Read it again, paying careful attention to the structure of the story. It is a bunch of disparate bits thrown in the editorial food processor and set in a jelly mold filled with the author's manufactured tone. It is an editorial whose tone isn't actually reflective of the interviews it quotes. Worse than that, it is an editorial about an editorial.

I'm not saying I have particular sympathy for anyone living paycheck to paycheck on $350K. On the other hand, despite the author's best intentions to make it seem otherwise, there is no indication that Mr. Schiff was actually asking for sympathy either. All we have are very brief quotes of another article from Bloomberg (which may have been doing the same thing), which quoted an interview that this author appears not even to have read, set in a matrix of emotionally charged editorializing.The first quote is nine - not even contiguous - words whose toen has been filtered by two rounds of editorializing. We don't even know what the original question was. All we know is how we are supposed to feel about the answer.

The second quote at least managed to remain an intact sentence, but is clearly put to the reader in such a way that the meaning is twisted. "I am (now) a posterchild for all that is venal and insidious in the world." is tossed out as an atomic thought. The reader is supposed to take it as Schiff's description of himself when it is clearly a description of how he feels the editorializing process created an impression of him and set him up to be perceived as "the poster child of all that is venal and insidious in the world."

It is entirely possible that the original interviews were obtained under the pretext of beign lifestyle snapshots for a light piece in a business publication. An interviewer might ask "Tell me about where you live", and the interviewee says with a chuckle "We live on the low rung on the brownstone ladder". "Do you rent or own?" "Oh we rent." "Why?" "If we bought this place it would consume every dime of our savings." "Where would you like to be living in five years?" "If the economy turns around and things start getting better I would love to have another bedroom." And so on. That hits the cutting room and suddenly the guy is whining because he had the nerve to be candid. Most people who have been interviewed for pieces like this know the drill.

The [current] story was manufactured. No I don't have sympathy for them, but then again I don't believe they were ever asking for it. The editors who created the story wanted people to think they were. The lengthy blog post by M. Todd Henderson about two years ago about how hard it was, that would have been a relevant time to write a strip like this. He put it out there in his own words and the tone was actually his. Now it's just piling onto a fake Fox-like electioneering hit piece.
What would you say if I told you I simply remembered reading an article a few days ago about someone who makes six figures complaining that since he wans't getting his normal bonus this year he would have trouble paying for his kids private school? I simply googled 'six figures no bonus private school tuition' and that was the first link I clicked that was definitely about the guy I remember reading about after skimming the first few sentences.

The validity or form of the article has no relevance. The simple fact is the story was in recent news headlines. The cartoon in the OP is clearly poking fun at this particular story. This is why I took issue with your statement that this cartoon would have been more relevant a year or two ago.
 

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What would you say if I told you I simply remembered reading an article a few days ago about someone who makes six figures complaining that since he wans't getting his normal bonus this year he would have trouble paying for his kids private school? I simply googled 'six figures no bonus private school tuition' and that was the first link I clicked that was definitely about the guy I remember reading about after skimming the first few sentences.
I would say you sure do love to google for editorials.
The validity or form of the article has no relevance. The simple fact is the story was in recent news headlines. The cartoon in the OP is clearly poking fun at this particular story. This is why I took issue with your statement that this cartoon would have been more relevant a year or two ago.
I don't know what point you think you are proving here. Of course there is "something" floating out there in media world that this is a reaction to. I'm not objecting to that. I'm just saying that a truly sharp political wit tends to be ahead of the ball, rather than just throwing ink up in cheap parodies of whatever happens to be echoing loudest today.Now an artist looking to maximize his syndication value on the other hand looks to pile on to whatever loudest noise there is whether it is manufactured by the media or real. After all, editors love to be flattered, and what better way to do that than sell them content that tells them that they are relevant, really REALLY relevant!
 

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McFadden's not an idiot.

I agree, he is not an idiot. He managed to get idiots to pay him money for writing comics that are not funny. That takes some intelligence. No, not intelligence on the part of the readers, on the part of the non-funny comic.
 

dank69

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I would say you sure do love to google for editorials.

I don't know what point you think you are proving here. Of course there is "something" floating out there in media world that this is a reaction to. I'm not objecting to that. I'm just saying that a truly sharp political wit tends to be ahead of the ball, rather than just throwing ink up in cheap parodies of whatever happens to be echoing loudest today.Now an artist looking to maximize his syndication value on the other hand looks to pile on to whatever loudest noise there is whether it is manufactured by the media or real. After all, editors love to be flattered, and what better way to do that than sell them content that tells them that they are relevant, really REALLY relevant!
Two years ago wall street fat cats were still getting their bonuses, funded by bailouts, in turn funded by the tax payer. I don't remember seeing any editorials or articles about people making six figures and not being able to afford private school tuition back then. So two years ago, this cartoon would not have been as relevant as it is today. It seems your position is that cartoonists shouldn't comment on current events but rather predictions of the future.
 
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Two years ago wall street fat cats were still getting their bonuses, funded by bailouts, in turn funded by the tax payer. I don't remember seeing any editorials or articles about people making six figures and not being able to afford private school tuition back then. So two years ago, this cartoon would not have been as relevant as it is today. It seems your position is that cartoonists shouldn't comment on current events but rather predictions of the future.
Back in the days of "is $250K super rich?", this blog post became a pretty big deal:
The rhetoric in Washington about taxes is about millionaires and the super rich, but the relevant dividing line between millionaires and the middle class is pegged at family income of $250,000. (I’m not a math professor, but last time I checked $250,000 is less than $1 million.) That makes me super rich and subject to a big tax hike if the president has his way.

I’m the president’s neighbor in Chicago, but we’ve never met. I wish we could, because I would introduce him to my family and our lifestyle, one he believes is capable of financing the vast expansion of government he is planning. A quick look at our family budget, which I will happily share with the White House, will show him that like many Americans, we are just getting by despite seeming to be rich. We aren’t.

I, like the president before me, am a law professor at the University of Chicago Law School, and my wife, like the first lady before her, works at the University of Chicago Hospitals, where she is a doctor who treats children with cancer. Our combined income exceeds the $250,000 threshold for the super rich (but not by that much), and the president plans on raising my taxes. After all, we can afford it, and the world we are now living in has that familiar Marxian tone of those who need take and those who can afford it pay. The problem is, we can’t afford it. Here is why.

The biggest expense for us is financing government. Last year, my wife and I paid nearly $100,000 in federal and state taxes, not even including sales and other taxes. This amount is so high because we can’t afford fancy accountants and lawyers to help us evade taxes and we are penalized by the tax code because we choose to be married and we both work outside the home. (If my wife and I divorced or were never married, the government would write us a check for tens of thousands of dollars. Talk about perverse incentives.)

Our next biggest expense, like most people, is our mortgage. Homes near our work in Chicago aren’t cheap and we do not have friends who were willing to help us finance the deal. We chose to invest in the University community and renovate and old property, but we did so at an inopportune time.

We pay about $15,000 in property taxes, about half of which goes to fund public education in Chicago. Since we care the education of our three children, this means we also have to pay to send them to private school. My wife has school loans of nearly $250,000 and I do too, although becoming a lawyer is significantly cheaper. We try to invest in our retirement by putting some money in the stock market, something that these days sounds like a patriotic act. Our account isn’t worth much, and is worth a lot less than it used to be.

Like most working Americans, insurance, doctors’ bills, utilities, two cars, daycare, groceries, gasoline, cell phones, and cable TV (no movie channels) round out our monthly expenses. We also have someone who cuts our grass, cleans our house, and watches our new baby so we can both work outside the home. At the end of all this, we have less than a few hundred dollars per month of discretionary income. We occasionally eat out but with a baby sitter, these nights take a toll on our budget. Life in America is wonderful, but expensive.

If our taxes rise significantly, as they seem likely to, we can cut back on some things. The (legal) immigrant from Mexico who owns the lawn service we employ will suffer, as will the (legal) immigrant from Poland who cleans our house a few times a month. We can cancel our cell phones and some cable channels, as well as take our daughter from her art class at the community art center, but these are only a few hundred dollars per month in total. But more importantly, what is the theory under which collecting this money in taxes and deciding in Washington how to spend it is superior to our decisions? Ask the entrepreneurs we employ and the new arrivals they employ in turn whether they prefer to work for us or get a government handout.

If these cuts don’t work, we will sell our house – into an already spiraling market of declining asset values – and our cars, assuming someone will buy them. The irony here, of course, is that the government is working to save both of these industries despite the impact that increasing taxes will have.

The problem with the president’s plan is that the super rich don’t pay taxes – they hide in the Cayman Islands or use fancy investment vehicles to shelter their income. We aren’t rich enough to afford this – I use Turbo Tax. But we are rich enough to be hurt by the president’s plan. The next time the president comes home to Chicago, he has a standing invitation to come to my house (two blocks from his) and judge for himself whether the Hendersons are as rich as he thinks.
 

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Back in the days of "is $250K super rich?", this blog post became a pretty big deal:
The rhetoric in Washington about taxes is about millionaires and the super rich, but the relevant dividing line between millionaires and the middle class is pegged at family income of $250,000. (I’m not a math professor, but last time I checked $250,000 is less than $1 million.) That makes me super rich and subject to a big tax hike if the president has his way.

I’m the president’s neighbor in Chicago, but we’ve never met. I wish we could, because I would introduce him to my family and our lifestyle, one he believes is capable of financing the vast expansion of government he is planning. A quick look at our family budget, which I will happily share with the White House, will show him that like many Americans, we are just getting by despite seeming to be rich. We aren’t.

I, like the president before me, am a law professor at the University of Chicago Law School, and my wife, like the first lady before her, works at the University of Chicago Hospitals, where she is a doctor who treats children with cancer. Our combined income exceeds the $250,000 threshold for the super rich (but not by that much), and the president plans on raising my taxes. After all, we can afford it, and the world we are now living in has that familiar Marxian tone of those who need take and those who can afford it pay. The problem is, we can’t afford it. Here is why.

The biggest expense for us is financing government. Last year, my wife and I paid nearly $100,000 in federal and state taxes, not even including sales and other taxes. This amount is so high because we can’t afford fancy accountants and lawyers to help us evade taxes and we are penalized by the tax code because we choose to be married and we both work outside the home. (If my wife and I divorced or were never married, the government would write us a check for tens of thousands of dollars. Talk about perverse incentives.)

Our next biggest expense, like most people, is our mortgage. Homes near our work in Chicago aren’t cheap and we do not have friends who were willing to help us finance the deal. We chose to invest in the University community and renovate and old property, but we did so at an inopportune time.

We pay about $15,000 in property taxes, about half of which goes to fund public education in Chicago. Since we care the education of our three children, this means we also have to pay to send them to private school. My wife has school loans of nearly $250,000 and I do too, although becoming a lawyer is significantly cheaper. We try to invest in our retirement by putting some money in the stock market, something that these days sounds like a patriotic act. Our account isn’t worth much, and is worth a lot less than it used to be.

Like most working Americans, insurance, doctors’ bills, utilities, two cars, daycare, groceries, gasoline, cell phones, and cable TV (no movie channels) round out our monthly expenses. We also have someone who cuts our grass, cleans our house, and watches our new baby so we can both work outside the home. At the end of all this, we have less than a few hundred dollars per month of discretionary income. We occasionally eat out but with a baby sitter, these nights take a toll on our budget. Life in America is wonderful, but expensive.

If our taxes rise significantly, as they seem likely to, we can cut back on some things. The (legal) immigrant from Mexico who owns the lawn service we employ will suffer, as will the (legal) immigrant from Poland who cleans our house a few times a month. We can cancel our cell phones and some cable channels, as well as take our daughter from her art class at the community art center, but these are only a few hundred dollars per month in total. But more importantly, what is the theory under which collecting this money in taxes and deciding in Washington how to spend it is superior to our decisions? Ask the entrepreneurs we employ and the new arrivals they employ in turn whether they prefer to work for us or get a government handout.

If these cuts don’t work, we will sell our house – into an already spiraling market of declining asset values – and our cars, assuming someone will buy them. The irony here, of course, is that the government is working to save both of these industries despite the impact that increasing taxes will have.

The problem with the president’s plan is that the super rich don’t pay taxes – they hide in the Cayman Islands or use fancy investment vehicles to shelter their income. We aren’t rich enough to afford this – I use Turbo Tax. But we are rich enough to be hurt by the president’s plan. The next time the president comes home to Chicago, he has a standing invitation to come to my house (two blocks from his) and judge for himself whether the Hendersons are as rich as he thinks.
I do remember the $250k debates but I don't remember that blog or anything like it. But fine, I will concede that the comic may have been relevant at the time but not quite as relevant as it is to a headline from the current week.

Also, that blog was written by an ignorant person. His budget aside, I bolded three particularly stupid statements. The author claims he will be the victim of a 'huge' tax hike despite the fact that he does not make much more than $250k. The 0.5% hike on income over $250k would have been a hike of $500/yr IF he made $350k/yr would I think we can both agree does not qualify as 'not much' over $250k. Therefore we can conclude that his 'huge' tax hike would amount to much less than $500/yr.

Also, the man claims that Obama wanted to raise his taxes in order to pay for his plans to vastly expand government. What a crock of shit. Probably why the blog only gained traction with dim-witted individuals.
 
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