The Spirit That Drove Us to Civil War Is Back with American's deeply Divided

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It's like facial recognition technology: if the features match up, you conclude, "It's the same guy."

So it is with the match between the force that drove us to Civil War more than a century and a half ago, and the force that has taken over the Republican Party in our times.

In both cases, we see an elite insisting on their "liberty," by which they mean the freedom to dominate.

With Citizens United, in our times, the corporatists have declared that their "freedom of speech" gives them the right to buy our elections, unfettered by any concerns about the rights of the average citizen to have an equal say in their government.

Back in the 1850s, the slaveholders insisted that their "liberty" meant that they had the right to take their human "property" anywhere in American territory, an insistence that swept aside the previously respected concerns of millions of their countrymen that there be regions of the country free of slavery.

In both cases, the use of the structures of American democracy was combined with a contempt for the democratic values that inspired our founders.

Nowadays, the Republicans have made a national effort to pass voter ID laws to address a non-existent problem of voter fraud-- a campaign that is itself a fraud whose transparent intent is to disenfranchise the vulnerable whose champions are the Republicans' opponents.

Back in the years leading up to the Civil War, the slaveholders banned the distribution of anti-slavery writings, and sometimes suppressed anti-slavery talk by violence.

In both cases, the elites driving the polarization of the country justified their dominance by distorting, in belittling ways, the humanity of those they sought to exploit.

Today's Republicans talk about the 47 percent, the half of the country they characterize as "takers," even though many of those 47 percent work multiple jobs just to make ends meet; and these Republicans vote to strip them of unemployment benefits, at a time of massive joblessness, in the mistaken belief that only desperation will get these lazy people to work.

Back in the time of the Slave Power, the slaveholding class declared they were doing their black slaves a favor to discipline them into an ethic of work; freeing them would be cruel, the masters claimed, because those blacks were inherently too lazy and incompetent to survive on their own.

In both cases, the idea of compromise became a dirty word, as the inflamed insistence on getting everything one's own way took hold of the inflamed side.

Today's Republicans do not seek compromise, and the dynamics of the party are such that anyone who works toward compromise is demonized and run out of office by challenge from the more extreme, uncompromising wing of the party.

Back in the years leading up to the Civil War, the South's insistence on the unfettered expansion of their domain led to the overturning of the great Missouri Compromise, which had held the nation together for more than thirty yearsv--va fracturing of the peace that instigated the return to the political arena of Abraham Lincoln, and set the nation on course to a bloody civil war.

In both cases, the powerful elite in the grip of that destructive force refused to accept that in a democracy sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, and sometimes you have to accept being governed by a duly-elected president you don't like.

Today's Republicans have done everything they could to nullify the presidency of Barack Obama, whom the American people duly elected twice. Like no other opposition party in American history, they have refused to accept the temporary minority status to which American voters have consigned them. Blocking the president from performing the function for which the people hired him has been their top priority.

Back on the eve of the Civil War, the Southerners -- who had disproportionately dominated the upper echelons of the national government from the time of its founding -- considered the election of Abraham Lincoln an intolerable insult, and promptly made a unilateral decision to break apart the Union; they then raised an army to defend that decision, rather than accept the outcome of the democratic process and regroup for the next election.

As with facial recognition, the configuration of the features tells us, "This is the same ugly thing, come back again."

In my upcoming series, "Press the Battle," I will be expanding on the ways in which disturbing patterns match up between these two eras. In those later postings, it will also be explained how it is that such patterns can endure and re-emerge in a cultural system over the course of generations.

Suffice it to say for now that, in its re-emerged form, this pattern or force or spirit has retained its destructive nature. Back in the mid-19th century, it broke the nation apart and gave us a nightmarish Civil War. And in our times, it is damaging everything in American civilization that it can reach.

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I have to agree on some of the points he is making in this article. I do see very deep division in this country. I see the private wealthy corporatists elitists behind it too..
 

Drako

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The guy who wrote that seems to have a pretty weak understanding of American history.
 

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I think this guy is very spot on with most of his article here, despite what anyone's opinion is on the civil war.
 

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Well it's what the OP wanted and he certainly is getting it. The Republicans silence with money and you and your ilk by bullying.
 

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Back in the time of the Slave Power, the slaveholding class declared they were doing their black slaves a favor to discipline them into an ethic of work; freeing them would be cruel, the masters claimed, because those blacks were inherently too lazy and incompetent to survive on their own.
It wasnt just the "slaveholding class" that didnt want the slaves freed. There were abolitionists who wanted blacks deported. And blacks have a lower employment rate not mainly due to irrational discrimination, but because discrimination is a part of nature that the State will never come anywhere close to eliminating. Legislation and monarchs can't be universal. They frequently are in it for themselves. The shrewdest, rudest people create the State and they prey on the most toolish people like me or the most selfish people to run it and keep it alive. Every piece of legislation is a conflict of interest.

This is the most hypocritical post I have ever written, perhaps.
 
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alcoholbob

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Many of the abolitionists were free-market types that didn't like the monopoly of slave labor. In other words they wanted to reduce white unemployment in the south.
 

MongGrel

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We ain't seen nothing yet.

Just wait till Ebola starts going on a real rampage, and gets loose in California or something, and ISIL hooks up with the drug gangs in the West and starts moving around.

The Zombie Apocalypse is coming.

:colbert:
 

Jaskalas

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Today's Republicans do not seek compromise...
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Today's Republicans have done everything they could to nullify the presidency of Barack Obama, whom the American people duly elected twice. Like no other opposition party in American history, they have refused to accept the temporary minority status to which American voters have consigned them. Blocking the president from performing the function for which the people hired him has been their top priority.

You seek compromise as a way to get half of what you want today, the rest of it tomorrow. Bush was your man for that, he did much for the Democrat Party's agenda from entitlement expansion, centralized government via "security", the energy bill which handed the EPA power. He tried amnesty and we raised enough hell to shut that down. All these items Obama has expanded upon.

Our "compassionate conservative" spiked the ball for your team, not ours.

Yes we are divided, and Bush's betrayals forced us to harden our position. Today you witness a simple truth, that a significant portion of the voting block is NOT Neocon. We oppose what Bush and Obama have done, we want a different direction for this country. One that has not been seen in our life times.

We are a minority, you can see that when the GOP continues to nominate Neocons for President. Time and again, the same old men are held up on a pedestal because they're "electable". They'll "reach across the isle" as they have in the past. McCain and Romney were just another face on the Bush policy.

Not even the ruckus of the Tea Party has been sufficient. The GOP will give you what you want, they will surrender in due time. For that act I hope we will tear them apart. So long as no one respects the States and intends to shove a national agenda down the throats of all 310 million Americans, we are going to shout, make noise, and cause a filibuster. There will be opposition until the day you recognize our rights.

To me, this is a campaign for self determination. For local government to be recognized as best for democracy, and for member States of our Union to be granted a degree of supremacy over the whole. This is a fight for reformation and a new era of government that is no longer dysfunctional at a Federal level, but is instead flourishing and implementing new ideas at a State level.

I don't want the Security of Central Planning, I want the Freedom of 50 States.
 

JEDIYoda

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You know we have this back and forth bickering as to if Hamas is taking care of the Palestinian people.....or just doing lip service....

I see a sad state of affairs in our country.....I just don`t know!

I am thinking that perhaps one little thing and there could be a class warfare......there could be race riots......hell.....we could leave the whole country open to whatever will happen!

Presently we still have a voice and we need to use it!

No!! Whats happening in our country is not OK!!

Vote the idiots out of office!!
 

werepossum

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Wow. This thread is so stupid the OP should get free soup just for starting it.
 

HTFOff

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Wow. This thread is so stupid the OP should get free soup just for starting it.

I especially like how OP googled his own image to ratchet up the propaganda. Gotta' create that boogeyman before the midterm flogging's begin.
 
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