The SPF scale on sunscreen is stupid

Fritzo

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SPF 15 blocks 93% UVB rays
SPF 30 blocks 96.7% UVB rays
SPF 50 blocks 98% UVB rays
SPF 100 blocks 99% UVB rays

So, in other words, don't waste your money on anything above SPF 15. Higher SPF suncreens often cost more, but offer little additional protection.
 

rcpratt

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Depends how you look at it, I guess. Each time you go up one of those levels you're getting about half as many UVB rays.

Really don't think many people need more than 30 though, unless they're ultra sensitive.
 

dr150

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Higher SPFs do help!!

I was in Punta Cana (Carribean) and SPF 30 was crap. Within 2 hours, I got sunburned in this super strong sun (and I'm olive skinned so I don't burn easy).

SPF 50 made all the difference in the world -- to me and other tourists. Everybody who used SPF 30 got sunburned, yet SPF 50 was the magic number to prevent sunburn for all skin types.
 

dullard

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Fritzo, you are correct. The scale is stupid because it varies from person to person. The scale is defined as:

SPF = (the amount of UV radiation needed to cause you to burn with the sunscreen) / ( the amount of UV radiation needed to cause you to burn without the sunscreen)

So one SPF may be perfectly fine for you for a certain amount of time outside but the same sunscreen probably won't be good for other people. That is a stupid scale in my opinion. (And that isn't even going into the choice of a narrow wavelength range for the SPF measurement, since people are exposed to a much wider range in the sun).

The key to remember is that a thin white T-shirt is SPF 7. Anything with SPF over 7 is better than some clothing. But there is a major catch. To get the real SPF, you have to apply 15-30 minutes before you enter the sun, you have to reapply before 2 hours have elapsed, you have to apply at least 1 ounce of sunscreen, and you can't have it wear off due to things like swimming.

Most people fail miserably at those application rules, and thus most people think they need a high SPF. In reality, they are just applying a high SPF in a very poor way and getting a fraction of its real SPF. The result is usually an odd array of burned / unburned areas depending on how well they applied in those locations. If they just applied SPF 15 properly, they'd be good in most cases.
 
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nonameo

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Yeah... if I go out in the sun, I don't want to get burned/tanned/anything. Highest SPF I can get is the way to go. I've got some 40 sitting up on top of my desk right now.

NO-AD FTW
 

Demon-Xanth

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I used Neutrogena SPF 85+ the on the last canoe trip I went on. Was the first time I didn't get badly burned. I'm sold on the higher numbers. :)
 

drum

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I used Neutrogena SPF 85+ the on the last canoe trip I went on. Was the first time I didn't get badly burned. I'm sold on the higher numbers. :)
I used SPF 120 on my last trip and I turned into Jim Gaffigan
 

2dt Drifter

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NO-AD! had a HUGE bottle of that when I was a kid riding my bike to the pool that fell out of my bag and EXPLODED on the pavement... I guess we could say; the pavement AD it coming.

YEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 

BurnItDwn

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I usually stick to a T-shirt because it's a PITA to apply sunscreen properly .... If I'm gonna be outside working in the sun for 6 or 7 hours ... I don't have 30 minutes before to fvck around with sunscreen and then time to take a break every hour or two ...

That said ... I wind up with tan arms and legs, and a mostly white torso .. also, sandal tan lines on my feet ...

Note: I don't try to tan on purpose, and I don't expose myself to extra sun on purpose ... I just happen to be in the sun sometimes when I am doing yardwork, or putting in the boat launch with my uncle at my grandma's house, or playing lumberjack...
 
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The wife and I wouldn't go anywhere lower than SPF 45 when we were in the tropics. Made a world of difference when we only had SPF 30.
 
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Isn't the whole SPF thing is a sham anyway, like contrast ratios on TVs and a million other specifications?

I think there was a study that said anything over SPF 30 doesn't actually do anything. It might've been 50.
 

Kadarin

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One application of SPF30 allowed me to spend an entire day in the sun on the beach in the Bahamas without getting any color whatsoever. However, I've also used defective SPF30 and ended up with a really bad sunburn, so YMMV.
 

lord_emperor

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SPF 15 blocks 93% UVB rays
SPF 30 blocks 96.7% UVB rays
SPF 50 blocks 98% UVB rays
SPF 100 blocks 99% UVB rays

So, in other words, don't waste your money on anything above SPF 15. Higher SPF suncreens often cost more, but offer little additional protection.

So compared to SPF 15:

SPF30: 47.1% as much UV radiation.
SPF50: 28.6% as much UV radiation.
SPF100: 14.3% as much UV radiation.

Seems like a pretty big deal to me.
 

TuxDave

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I used Neutrogena SPF 85+ the on the last canoe trip I went on. Was the first time I didn't get badly burned. I'm sold on the higher numbers. :)

I'm a fan of the SPF 85+ too when I know I'm going to be outdoors for a while. No burns here!
 
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SPF 15 blocks 93% UVB rays
SPF 30 blocks 96.7% UVB rays
SPF 50 blocks 98% UVB rays
SPF 100 blocks 99% UVB rays

So, in other words, don't waste your money on anything above SPF 15. Higher SPF suncreens often cost more, but offer little additional protection.

We did the test in Chemistry 1 in college. SPF30 and up what you need at least. The difference was pretty big between 15 and 30, but not much between 30 and 45.
 

zerocool84

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I just man up. I'm white and never use sunscreen. I've finally gotten my first "tan" for the year it just really hurt getting it.
 

Imp

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I just suck it up and cover up now. Was working outside the past 2 days, and I slathered on sunscreen, but still wore a hoodie and hat to cover up 90% of my body. My hands are a different story; they are freaking tanned cause I was in the water and I hate having sunscreen on my hands.