The second Xbox 360 revealed: codename Zephyr

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: bigrash

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
I'm using VGA on a 1080p TV, so I don't care at all...

that's what I'm using right now too. Is there much of a difference between HDMI and VGA, or are they the same since it's digital output?

VGA isn't digital, it's analog. Realistically, you won't see much of a difference between the two.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if it supports HDMI, I don't see how it won't support component as well. if it supports component, it will have a 5.1 optical out on the 360.

Limiting it to HDMI would be foolish on microsoft's part.

By the looks of the picture (if this is actually real), there is still the standard output which will allow you to hook up a dongle with everything from composite to VGA connections...so you should be fine.

Aye, having the HDMI out on the propriety cable and having the 2nd single HDMI out option actually makes a whole lot more sense.

 

[austin316]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't know why people think that those of us who already own a Xbox 360 would be mad at Microsoft. Pretty much every console in existence has gone through a hardware refresh over its lifespan; missing out on a HDMI connector and a cooler/quieter CPU, which certainly desirable, is an acknowledged part of the gamble. I'm not upset in the least.

Same, but I do need a bigger HDD, like today.

People are upset, because consoles go through re-designs after 4 or 5 years. Not after 1 year.

 

[Fingolfin269]

This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: austin316

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't know why people think that those of us who already own a Xbox 360 would be mad at Microsoft. Pretty much every console in existence has gone through a hardware refresh over its lifespan; missing out on a HDMI connector and a cooler/quieter CPU, which certainly desirable, is an acknowledged part of the gamble. I'm not upset in the least.

Same, but I do need a bigger HDD, like today.

People are upset, because consoles go through re-designs after 4 or 5 years. Not after 1 year.

That's not true at all. Read about the PS2's hardware revisions on Wikipedia.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like someone bitching when Toyota makes some updates to the Camry from the '07 to '08 model year.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

Perhaps the idea that HDMI is going to cost around $400 instead of a $50 cable. Necessary? No. Wanted by some, sure.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: kmr1212
wow...i just bought a 360 last month

Is the reason why this new bastard xbox 360 will tank.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like someone bitching when Toyota makes some updates to the Camry from the '07 to '08 model year.

Jealousy? Are you freaking kidding me? The only thing I care about is the HDMI output. I cannot use my xbox or hd-dvd drive to upconvert my DVDs because I do not have a television with a VGA input.

 

[Juice Box]

I have a funny feeling MS might release an external 120gig HDD, along with HDMI output cable for all you whiners who bought the earlier model. More money to be made in that.

 

[KLin]

I wonder if the optical output on my TV will output the audio signal coming from the HDMI to my receiver? Hmmmm, decisions decisions .

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: kmr1212
wow...i just bought a 360 last month

Is the reason why this new bastard xbox 360 will tank.

What???

 

[secretanchitman]

probably will show up around halo 3's launch, im willing to bet.

1080p halo 3? that would be pretty sweet.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Jealousy? Are you freaking kidding me? The only thing I care about is the HDMI output. I cannot use my xbox or hd-dvd drive to upconvert my DVDs because I do not have a television with a VGA input.

If thats the only thing you cared about then why did you buy the console knowing that it did not have that? How can you not use the HD-DVD drive? It doesn't require HDMI to get hi-def. Maybe it can't do 1080p over component, but is your TV even 1080p?

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like someone bitching when Toyota makes some updates to the Camry from the '07 to '08 model year.

Jealousy? Are you freaking kidding me? The only thing I care about is the HDMI output. I cannot use my xbox or hd-dvd drive to upconvert my DVDs because I do not have a television with a VGA input.

Dude...don't get your pants in a wad...MS hasn't officially announced anything. And NSF4's analogy is right on. The same games can be played on both systems. I'd also REALLY be surprised if MS does go with HDMI that they wouldn't offer a dongle for old systems.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like someone bitching when Toyota makes some updates to the Camry from the '07 to '08 model year.

Jealousy? Are you freaking kidding me? The only thing I care about is the HDMI output. I cannot use my xbox or hd-dvd drive to upconvert my DVDs because I do not have a television with a VGA input.

You bought the Xbox 360 without the promise of HDMI support. You aren't owed anything. To complain NOW is downright childish.

 

[imported_inspire]

may have already been said, but I'm lazy - what will this do to the current xbox 360 pricing scheme?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

sigh,.. no news on if the hddvd drive will come integrated this time?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: inspire
may have already been said, but I'm lazy - what will this do to the current xbox 360 pricing scheme?

Everyone was already anticipating a price drop on the Premium. Probably $300 for the Premium. Who knows what the price would be for this Zephyr if the rumor turns out to be true. Who knows if the Core would still be around or if it would receive a price drop.

 

[randay]

sweet if it comes with hddvd i might pick one up.

 

[frostedflakes]

I also do not regret my Xbox 360 purchase at all. 1080p is useless to me. That 120GB drive sounds awesome, though, I may have to pick it up. They will surely offer it as a separate purchase so 20GB users can upgrade. That's the whole reason the drive are an external add-on, so it can be upgraded.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: inspire
may have already been said, but I'm lazy - what will this do to the current xbox 360 pricing scheme?

No one knows. Personally I wouldn't expect it to do anything as they won't be manufacturing the old systems anymore and so will probably just let supply go low for a month or two to let most of the previous versions to get off the shelves and then drop a large supply of the new version behind a media push to gain a boost in sales. I didn't notice if it said anything about a change in size or anything. I doubt we'll see an integrated HD-DVD drive yet as the format war is still up in the air and I think MS despite claiming officially that they're fully behind HD-DVD is waiting to see which side wins and then cover their bases that way.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
sigh,.. no knews on if the hddvd drive will come integrated this time?

MS has stated repeatedly that the HD DVD drive would not be integrated. Two reasons:

1) The transfer rates on HD DVD drives (and Blu-Ray) drives aren't fast enough to keep load times reasonable. The PS3 gets around this by installing games to the HDD.

2) MS supports HD DVD but doesn't want 360 owners to get stuck with it if it doesn't survive the battle with Blu-Ray.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
This is horrible news if true. The one great thing about consoles is that you know when you buy a unit it is going to last for a good number of years until the next version boasting superior graphics/tech is unleashed. Now it looks like we get to buy entirely new systems as opposed to simpe add-ons such as hard drives.

How is this horrible? All it gives you is the HDMI, cooler running processor and a 120GB hard drive. You can still play the same games you did from version 1 to 2. The cooling running processor is nothing the end user will notice, and the extra hard drive can be purchased separately. The only real differece is the HDMI connection, which I'm sure most of the average users won't even use.

Where's the problem?

JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like someone bitching when Toyota makes some updates to the Camry from the '07 to '08 model year.

Jealousy? Are you freaking kidding me? The only thing I care about is the HDMI output. I cannot use my xbox or hd-dvd drive to upconvert my DVDs because I do not have a television with a VGA input.

You bought the Xbox 360 without the promise of HDMI support. You aren't owed anything. To complain NOW is downright childish.

Who said I was owed anything? Did I ever say that or are you making assumptions? I reserve the right to be pissed off and that's exactly what I am right now. I also have the right to decide to sell the xbox and just go a different direction. I never said MS owed me anything so stop makin assumptions.