The second Xbox 360 revealed: codename Zephyr

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
again you completely missed my point. i said the optical audio output, the one that goes to your receiver to get the 5.1 sound.

Why would you want optical audio output when you have HDMI? HDMI will carry every audio format including TrueHD. Are you concerned because some people don't have an HDMI connection on their TV or HDMI connection on their receiver?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: bigrash
HDMI carries video and audio

Sucks for those of us with receivers without HDMI ports.

Only if the new 360 prohibits you from running HDMI and optical out simultaneously.

Which from that picture, it looks like it does, which is again, another reason I believe this is a prototype 360.

 

[Adversary]

What are the chances that we'll be able to send in our gen 1 360s, pay a fee, and get the upgrade? It wouldn't be such a big deal with the smaller processor....that doesn't bother me. Neither does the hard drive. I can always buy a new one. But adding the HDMI port functionally changes the xbox, and I don't think that is fair to the people that bought a Gen 1. It would be nice if MS said thank you to early adopters by at least allowing us to upgrade.

My other thought is that I have one that was bought prior to Jan 1, 2006. I understand launch 360s have an extended warranty? What if mine overheated and MS had to replace it?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: purbeast0
again you completely missed my point. i said the optical audio output, the one that goes to your receiver to get the 5.1 sound.

Why would you want optical audio output when you have HDMI? HDMI will carry every audio format including TrueHD. Are you concerned because some people don't have an HDMI connection on their TV or HDMI connection on their receiver?

As I stated in a post earlier, I didn't realize that HDMI carried all of those audio signals, as I've never used it.

And my TV has HDMI input on it, but my receiver doesn't. So how would I get my 5.1 sound in this case?

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

For my HD digital cable box, I have an HDMI cable that runs to my TV and a digital coaxial cable that runs to my receiver.

Theoretically, if my receiver supported HDMI switching, I could run a single HDMI cable to my receiver and then a second HDMI cable from my receiver to my TV.

 

[BornStar]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

Read my post. Pass it out of your TV over your TV's digital output.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

Also who is to say that the 5.1 optical out is not on the other side of the box with the other USB ports?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

Uh, yea I did, LOL>

So what you are saying is that MS cannot provide a connector that has the HDMI and the 5.1 together? Because I really do not see why that would be case, yes, it does look like a standard hdmi port, but, that doesn't necessarilly mean that the connector they provide in box cannot do such.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

For my HD digital cable box, I have an HDMI cable that runs to my TV and a digital coaxial cable that runs to my receiver.

Theoretically, if my receiver supported HDMI switching, I could run a single HDMI cable to my receiver and then a second HDMI cable from my receiver to my TV.

Yes, but your cable box has a digital coaxial output on the back of it, and probably an optical output on the back of it. The xbox360 does not.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

Uh, yea I did, LOL>

So what you are saying is that MS cannot provide a connector that has the HDMI and the 5.1 together? Because I really do not see why that would be case, yes, it does look like a standard hdmi port, but, that doesn't necessarilly mean that the connector they provide in box cannot do such.

That is true, but I think they would use their own proprietary connector (just like with the normal AV slot directly above the HDMI port in the picture) if they were going to have us use their connectors.

If they wanted us to use a proprietary connector, why not just use the original AV output slot that is directly above the HDMI slot in the picture? It just doesn't make sense ...

 

[0roo0roo]

http://arstechnica.com/articles/headstart.ars

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: purbeast0
again you completely missed my point. i said the optical audio output, the one that goes to your receiver to get the 5.1 sound.

Why would you want optical audio output when you have HDMI? HDMI will carry every audio format including TrueHD. Are you concerned because some people don't have an HDMI connection on their TV or HDMI connection on their receiver?

As I stated in a post earlier, I didn't realize that HDMI carried all of those audio signals, as I've never used it.

And my TV has HDMI input on it, but my receiver doesn't. So how would I get my 5.1 sound in this case?

You buy an HDMI switching receiver. And then when HDMI 1.3 devices come out, you replace your "old" HDMI 1.2 receiver with a brand new HDMI 1.3 receiver and a new HDTV that supports HDMI 1.3 too. See how easy that was?

 

[jlmadyson]

Scrath that, thinking of a the pwoer input side but that wouldn't make sense. I find it difficult to believe that MS would provide a new box but yet the only way you could get 5.1 SS is through an HDMI receiver alone.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Eh, if it's worth the money, I'll just buy it when it comes out to replace my current XBOX 360. It's always nice having a back-up or I could just pass my current system off as a present :laugh:.

All I'd really be interested in is the larger HDD. Don't need the HDMI right now.

This leak is actually bad news for MS as it is going to make people wait instead of getting a 360 now.

I'll probably wait for the new version now.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

Read my post. Pass it out of your TV over your TV's digital output.

What if my TV doesn't have optical output on the rear of it?

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Also who is to say that an optical 5.1 out is not included on the other side of the box with the other USB ports. I find it difficult to believe that MS would provide a new box but yet the only way you could get 5.1 SS is through and HDMI receiver alone.

And there is 1 of the reasons I believe this isn't real (and that's what it looks like from this pic)

 

[BornStar]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

Read my post. Pass it out of your TV over your TV's digital output.

What if my TV doesn't have optical output on the rear of it?

Then you seem to be pretty rare. Every TV I've seen produced in the last few years has optical or coaxial out.

 

[JackBurton]

Maybe this is a ploy by Sony to slow down the sale of XBox 360s! Hmmm.....

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Why would you need two? If it carried the same design as now, the HDMI port would in fact be the same as the port is now, where the 5.1 comes off the back of the connector. Thus, the hdmi goes into your video port into the TV and the 5.1 surround sound comes off the back of the HDMI connector in the 360, as it does now with the RBG connector.

Well from the pics of it, it looks like hte back of that 360 doesn't take any proprietary connector for the HDMI as it currently does for it's video output. It looks like it takes any old HDMI cable that can plug into it.

Also I did not know that HDMI cables had 5.1 incorporated into them, so I am clueless about that part. What if you have a receiver that doesn't take HDMI but a TV that does? (as I do)? Then how would you get the optical output to the receiver if I wanted to use HDMI for video?

EDIT:

Did you not even look at the pic that you have linked in the post you made this thread about lol?

Read my post. Pass it out of your TV over your TV's digital output.

What if my TV doesn't have optical output on the rear of it?

Then you seem to be pretty rare. Every TV I've seen produced in the last few years has optical or coaxial out.

It has coaxial out on it, not optical.

So what, now people who were using optical (currently the only way to get 5.1 sound out of your xbox360) now have to go out and buy the OTHER type of digital output cable to get 5.1 working?

There are just too many "if X, then do Y" situations that we've brought up in this thread alone that make this seem silly for MS to do so and I will stand by my belief that it's a fluke

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Also who is to say that an optical 5.1 out is not included on the other side of the box with the other USB ports. I find it difficult to believe that MS would provide a new box but yet the only way you could get 5.1 SS is through and HDMI receiver alone.

And there is 1 of the reasons I believe this isn't real (and that's what it looks like from this pic)

Yea, I kind of see what you are saying their. Although could they carry the HDMI signal with the proprietary port as well and that being just a second HDMI out maybe? Another option their perhaps, although I?m not totally sure they can carry all those signals over one port, but perhaps. So, there could still be a couple options here.

Edit;

THis would actually make sense as well, you have the option for those people that can go direct to the reciever or for those that do not have an HDMI receiver using the original port.

 

[AdamSnow]

I'm using VGA on a 1080p TV, so I don't care at all...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: yllus
I don't know why people think that those of us who already own a Xbox 360 would be mad at Microsoft. Pretty much every console in existence has gone through a hardware refresh over its lifespan; missing out on a HDMI connector and a cooler/quieter CPU, which certainly desirable, is an acknowledged part of the gamble. I'm not upset in the least.

Not like this. Redesigned (smaller) cases are common (NES, SNES, Playstation, PS2, Atari 2600), but more significant changes like this are not.

Doesn't bother me though, I've been waiting for a hardware revision before I buy one. I just wonder how this will affect prices. I'd be happy with the current Xbox 360 system with a cooler running processor for $300 or under. 20 GB is fine, don't need 120 GB or HDMI.

 

[Cattlegod]

if it supports HDMI, I don't see how it won't support component as well. if it supports component, it will have a 5.1 optical out on the 360.

Limiting it to HDMI would be foolish on microsoft's part.

 

[imported_bum]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if it supports HDMI, I don't see how it won't support component as well. if it supports component, it will have a 5.1 optical out on the 360.

Limiting it to HDMI would be foolish on microsoft's part.

Unless it's a conspiracy to make us buy HDMI receivers. OH NOES!:Q

Heh, this is good news to me, as I really wanted to buy a 360 soon but I'm short on cash. Now it's easier to wait.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
if it supports HDMI, I don't see how it won't support component as well. if it supports component, it will have a 5.1 optical out on the 360.

Limiting it to HDMI would be foolish on microsoft's part.

By the looks of the picture (if this is actually real), there is still the standard output which will allow you to hook up a dongle with everything from composite to VGA connections...so you should be fine.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: AdamSnow
I'm using VGA on a 1080p TV, so I don't care at all...

that's what I'm using right now too. Is there much of a difference between HDMI and VGA, or are they the same since it's digital output?