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The Second Amendment must go

NAC4EV

NAC4EV

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The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns.

We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let's fix it.

Call me naïve or any number of other things, but my suggestion is no more naïve than most of the arguments that gun advocates trot out on a daily basis. It’s also no more naïve than thinking that we’ll solve our gun problem with half measures or, even worse, doing nothing.

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Personally, I am of the opinion that the cat is out of the bag. I just don't see how one can at this late date in our history, one that includes a high level of penetration of the love of firearms, can be undone or even why one would expect law abiding and responsible people like myself who own firearms, to want to surrender them. A huge industry exists that caters to the gun enthusiast and to hunting, target shooting and family plinking. I think you would have better luck and infinitely better success reducing gun violence, if, instead. we poured our resources into raising happy healthy children. The desire to kill is the result of self hate, a mental disease, a disease we all have and will not admit, and the greater the denial and repression of those kinds of feelings the more killing we will have. Humanity is sick and in deep need of love and understanding. We have been killing each other long before the invention of rocks.
 
Really? We can't even get get past the regulation part even though it is the third word in the amendment.
 
NAC4EV said:
The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns.

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Agreed. We need to ban guns and the sooner the better. It is a bloodfest here in Milwaukee with over 125 dead this year of which nearly all were gun homicides.
 
NAC4EV said:
The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns.

We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let's fix it.
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Go fuck yourself.

Obscene attack and nothing else? Not acceptable.

Perknose
Forum Director
 
Good luck with that, sparky. Even if all the decent, law abiding folk in this country comply, there's no way you're gonna get the illegally owned guns.

Why don't you just run along to your safe zone and demand limiting free speech like a good little boy.
 
LOL are you kidding me. After I become a citizen I'm getting a nice 6-shooter for fun and maybe a shotgun for home defense. I'm thinking of enrolling for police/military training classes so that I can react and use it properly. The idea is not to get rid of the second amendment but regulate it vigorously. Can't let idiots get guns.
 
Good luck rounding up 300+ million guns. The only thing that criminalization of firearms will do is further stock up our prisons with non-violent offenders.
 
Good plan if you want those who own guns to revolt and overthrow the government that tried. Good thing for you the nation learned its lesson about voting away rights with the end of prohibition.
 
I'm about the libbiest lib that ever libbed all the lib long day, and I don't want the second amendment repealed. I think there is room for sensible and effective regulations on firearms in concert with improved social welfare and mental health programs that can minimize mass shootings and other gun violence while still preserving the rights of upstanding citizens to possess firearms.

Whether or not the political environment now would allow us to achieve those reasonable goals is a different question, however.
 
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Difficult to amend the US Constitution, but it has been done. All you need is...

"[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]First, amendment can take place by a vote of two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a ratification of three-fourths of the various state legislatures or conventions in three-fourths of the states (ratification by thirty-eight states would be required to ratify an amendment today). This first method of amendment is the only one used to date, and in all but the case of the 21st Amendment, state ratification took place in legislatures rather than state conventions. Second, the Constitution might be amended by a Convention called for this purpose by two-thirds of the state legislatures, if the Convention's proposed amendments are later ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures (or conventions in three-fourths of the states).

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/articleV.htm

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Of course you could do it by undermining the Constitution by laws and regulation. But while we are at that, let's undo the First Amendment too. It just gets in the way of our politicians doing their job.

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NAC4EV said:
The Second Amendment must go: We ban lawn darts. It’s time to ban guns.

We are one nation, forever f*cked by the NRA and an outdated and dangerous read of the Constitution. Let's fix it.

Call me naïve or any number of other things, but my suggestion is no more naïve than most of the arguments that gun advocates trot out on a daily basis. It’s also no more naïve than thinking that we’ll solve our gun problem with half measures or, even worse, doing nothing.

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There's much scholarly thought that any attempt to repeal any of the first ten amendments would be illegal because the Constitution *includes* the first ten amendments. They were ratified with the Articles as one and therefore cannot be separated.

So you can try to repeal the 2nd Amendment through the Constitutional process but don't be surprised if the Supreme Court or Congress invalidate the very attempt.

And if you try to just ignore the 2nd Amendment and trample people's rights then you might want to go buy a gun to defend yourself from the people who are going to come looking for you.
 
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I honestly believe that trying to take guns could cause a lot of bloodshed in this country. Trying to take them may be cause more death than letting things be. Alcohol kills FAR more than guns every year, including innocent people, yet no one calls for an alcohol ban because we understand that freedom carries risk.
 
LOL not going to happen.not yet anyway and not in 50 years i would guess.

you are tired of bloodshed? you haven't seen nothing if you ban guns.


also once the 2nd goes a lot of other rights will too.


anyway if you know any history you know how well trying to take away things away has worked LOL
 
Subyman said:
Good luck rounding up 300+ million guns. The only thing that criminalization of firearms will do is further stock up our prisons with non-violent offenders.
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On a side note, NAC4EV should really rethink his choice of avatar, apparently.
 
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Ban cars. Tens of thousands of people die because of them every year.
BTW, from what I can find, 2/3's of the number in the graph were suicides.
 
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Strk said:
Really? We can't even get get past the regulation part even though it is the third word in the amendment.
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Common usage of that word meant something entirely different when the amendment was penned. In this context regulated is referring to keeping things well maintained and in working order as opposed to the more common modern usage which entails controlling and/or restricting. Literary examples from the period and later are rife with evidence of such:

The Industries of New South Wales 1766

https://books.google.com/books?id=O...=onepage&q=a well regulated homestead&f=false

Close to the homestead is a neatly kept vegetable garden which is no unimportant feature in connection with a well regulated homestead in these districts and stock yards large sheep drafting yards and homestead paddocks for the use of working horses and bullocks and for the accommodation of ration sheep are contiguous.
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Journal of the Royal Agricultural Society of England 1881

https://books.google.com/books?id=M...=onepage&q=a well regulated homestead&f=false

We have had too many model homesteads built which have been so extravagant in their cost as to deter proprietors from attempting to extend to all the farms on their estates the advantages of a well regulated homestead.
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The Farmers' Register 1841

https://books.google.com/books?id=4...TAC#v=onepage&q=a well regulated farm&f=false

With this motto in view then I propose to describe in a very summary manner what I conceive to be a well managed a well regulated farm In doing this I intend to use the plainest the simplest language of which I am capable.
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