perhaps i havent done enough stuff yet. but this isnt really better than my ideraid. what do i need to run to elevate the wow factor? photoshop loads extremely fast. not sure cuz of smp or scsi though. installing quake and CS at the same time right now. oh yeah, the plex32x MAX couldnt read my 'legit' copy of quake 3, odd huh?
The SCSI "WoW" Factor isnt very high for me...
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Must be something wrong with that Plextor then. I have the 40x MAX, and it's easily the best drive I have ever used, bar none (none even close, actually).
Installing my new 10k SCSI main drive so we'll see if my "wow factor" increases with that.
One handy aspect of SCSI for me has been the lack of any problems with adding multiple drives for IDE. With both my CD-ROM and CD-R on SCSI, I had four slots for IDE drives -- two HDD and one DVD-ROM. Now, I've added two SCSI hard drives to the two SCSI optical drives, and I'll have two IDE drives running along with the IDE DVD drive. Seven drives with plenty of room to spare (though not in my case!).
Installing my new 10k SCSI main drive so we'll see if my "wow factor" increases with that.
One handy aspect of SCSI for me has been the lack of any problems with adding multiple drives for IDE. With both my CD-ROM and CD-R on SCSI, I had four slots for IDE drives -- two HDD and one DVD-ROM. Now, I've added two SCSI hard drives to the two SCSI optical drives, and I'll have two IDE drives running along with the IDE DVD drive. Seven drives with plenty of room to spare (though not in my case!).
Well...are you using 7200rpm or 10000rpm hard drives?
10,000rpm should be noticably quicker due to farily significant seek time improvement.
7200rpm drives aren't that much better just because of SCSI though.
SCSI isn't magically, it's small gains. The biggest advantage to SCSI is multitasking performance, but one person can't really stress that advantage.
The next is just seek time improvments due to the super fast drives, but if you aren't use 10k or 15k RPM drives, you lose that.
Really...I don't think SCSI is that worthwhile for most single user PCs.
10,000rpm should be noticably quicker due to farily significant seek time improvement.
7200rpm drives aren't that much better just because of SCSI though.
SCSI isn't magically, it's small gains. The biggest advantage to SCSI is multitasking performance, but one person can't really stress that advantage.
The next is just seek time improvments due to the super fast drives, but if you aren't use 10k or 15k RPM drives, you lose that.
Really...I don't think SCSI is that worthwhile for most single user PCs.
I'm on a IBM 36ZX Drive, 10k rpm u160. my hdtach... will be posted later. im trying to deal with this gay 16x teac ide which wont do on the fly with this plextor. this plextor sucks ass. im sorry. perhaps its a bad drive.
things that i hate about scsi:
1) increased boot time - i like my current 14sec time
2) noise
otherwise scsi's cool.
1) increased boot time - i like my current 14sec time
2) noise
otherwise scsi's cool.
yes, noise is something.. accessing sounds like driving over railroad tracks.
but dang! why cant it be 5.4ns [nanoseconds]?! why MS[milleseconds]!?
but dang! why cant it be 5.4ns [nanoseconds]?! why MS[milleseconds]!?
I've found that putting a hard drive with loud seeks into a hard drive cooler with a heatsink seems to significantly dull the seeking sounds. Instead of really loud rattling sounds, it sounds soft tapping noises.
Two cases where SCSI beats IDE quite easily are:
1) Seaches. If you are searching for a file, or searching through a help file, SCSI drives are very noticeably faster.
2) Defrags. Actually under Win2k with NTFS drives, my IBM 75GXP and Cheetah X15 both defrag at about the same speed (150-200 I/O's per second). However, the Cheetah, unlike the IBM, does not seem to be taxed at all during this operation. I would say that the Cheetah during a defrag is faster than a 75GXP that's not being defragged.
Two cases where SCSI beats IDE quite easily are:
1) Seaches. If you are searching for a file, or searching through a help file, SCSI drives are very noticeably faster.
2) Defrags. Actually under Win2k with NTFS drives, my IBM 75GXP and Cheetah X15 both defrag at about the same speed (150-200 I/O's per second). However, the Cheetah, unlike the IBM, does not seem to be taxed at all during this operation. I would say that the Cheetah during a defrag is faster than a 75GXP that's not being defragged.
I would say that the Cheetah during a defrag is faster than a 75GXP that's not being defragged.
LMAO, if that's true..
btw, do a scan-disk in windows with automatically fix errors checked before you do anything else!
I envy u!
btw, about boot times, is that true that detection in Windows adds 14 seconds??
wow, time to go Linux then! I like the ability to build the kernel with SCSI support built in!
LMAO, if that's true..
btw, do a scan-disk in windows with automatically fix errors checked before you do anything else!
I envy u!
btw, about boot times, is that true that detection in Windows adds 14 seconds??
wow, time to go Linux then! I like the ability to build the kernel with SCSI support built in!
Another thing I like about SCSI (my system just turned fully IDE) is that file transfer are much faster. Unraring files now take forever. Even though my SCSI drives where the same performance as my 75GXPs the time it takes to compile a 600 Meg rar file is much much shorter on a SCSI system.
I think I might go back in for a 15K IBM/Seagate.
I think I might go back in for a 15K IBM/Seagate.
if you are talking about boot times, its very long. it adds about 15 seconds. as for win2k, i dunno if it prolongs it. i have smp and its pretty slow, probably initializing alot of smp stuff, dunno. on the first part of starting win2k screen, a normal ide drive would start out at 50%, no longer though, it now starts at 0% and works [quickly] its way up to 100%. after that, time is variable as thats where win2k loads device drivers.
shawn
shawn
and yes. good lord. unzipping a file when you have smp and scsi is soooo quick. try zipping your halflife folder. takes 20 seconds...
what scsi card do u have? my tekram dc-390u2w adds between 4 to 5 secs to my boot.
could be cuz i disable scsi id scan for all id's not actually installed (I have 5 scsi devices, not including the card itself).
i heard adaptec card take a longer time to scan & initialize the bus than tekram cards.
could be cuz i disable scsi id scan for all id's not actually installed (I have 5 scsi devices, not including the card itself).
i heard adaptec card take a longer time to scan & initialize the bus than tekram cards.
i have an LSi Logic card. its onboard so i dunno what it is. and i hvaent disabled ids yet. im lazy to press control c.
Hey Radboy, how do you disable the scan for uninstalled devices? I only have 1 hardrive and it takes a while for the scan.
Thanks,
Fishingeek
Thanks,
Fishingeek
when the scsi bios is loading, you should be able to press a key and get into the scsi configuration. You can disable the SCSI scan as startup there.
One thing about Windows 2000 boot times... it seems like if you aren't using "typical" equipment, which includes non-Intel motherboards?, Windows spends a very long time at the Windows logo loading screen (like maybe 30 seconds). The later builds of Windows XP apparently fixes this. I don't have XP installed right now, but I can tell you that it goes from the logo loading screen to the desktop in under 10 seconds.
my legit copy of q3 takes forever to install... unless that's it's nature, using a Toshiba dvd, 1401 scsi. My friends memorex 36x has the same problem w/ his cd... it acutally seems to be the same for any comp i try it on. It's not that its struggling, it's just reading it at a slow speed.
like acronym says, scsi id's are disabled in scsi bios, usually entered by pressing f2 or f6 suring start-up.
it will shave a few secs from the id scan .. secs that add up over time.
but you have to remember to re-enable the id when u add a new device. i forgot about this a couple of times .. very frustrating, until you remember (& go ''Duh!').
it will shave a few secs from the id scan .. secs that add up over time.
but you have to remember to re-enable the id when u add a new device. i forgot about this a couple of times .. very frustrating, until you remember (& go ''Duh!').
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