The saying "the ends justify the means"

[Willoughbyva]

I think there was another saying that was the opisite of that saying or there was more to that saying or something? It has been 6 years since I took a philosophy class so I need a little refresher.

Thanks

Perry

 

[SVT Cobra]

It means if you have to look a gift horse in the mouth, it needs to be justified.


Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_ends_justify_the_means

Come on people, you can get better results doing your own research.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor
It means if you have to look a gift horse in the mouth, it needs to be justified.


Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_ends_justify_the_means

Come on people, you can get better results doing your own research.

I think they just want the attention.

 

[her209]

Do you support torture as a means of extracting information if it meant protecting the nation from terrorist plotting?

 

[Willoughbyva]

Ok thanks for the link. Does the ends justify the means? Sometimes? All the time? Never?

Thanks

Perry

 

[mwtgg]

The methods you use to achieve the results you desire may or may not be morally/ethically justified.

 

[Alienwho]

"The ends justify the means" is obvious. What explanation is needed?

"Have your cake and eat it too" however needs a PSA that it should correctly be "Eat your cake and have it too".

 

[Willoughbyva]

her209: No I do not support torture because it doesn't work. That has been proven I believe.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Willoughbyva
Ok thanks for the link. Does the ends justify the means? Sometimes? All the time? Never?

Thanks

Perry

That's what you have to decide for yourself. We can't tell you how to think. Personally, I say they don't. Like... ok, I have a great solution for overpopulation -- genocide! Sure a couple billion people will be murdered, but the earth won't be as crowded. Good idea? Up to you.

 

[Willoughbyva]

mwtgg: Thanks for the example. It makes the idea and concept a lot clearer to me now.


Thanks

Perry

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Willoughbyva
Ok thanks for the link. Does the ends justify the means? Sometimes? All the time? Never?

Thanks

Perry

If you believe the ends always justify the means, you're in line with Machiavellian thinking. If you feel the ends cannot justify any means, then you're probably more in life with ethics and/or morals.

The Prince by Machiavelli is a worthwhile read.

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Willoughbyva
Ok thanks for the link. Does the ends justify the means? Sometimes? All the time? Never?

Thanks

Perry

If you believe the ends always justify the means, you're in line with Machiavellian thinking. If you feel the ends cannot justify any means, then you're probably more in life with ethics and/or morals.

The Prince by Machiavelli is a worthwhile read.

Worthwhile read, but not necessarily the best thing to adopt as a life manual.

 

[Willoughbyva]

Ok thanks. It is about good and bad, and reasons behind doing some action or inaction.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Aflac

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Willoughbyva
Ok thanks for the link. Does the ends justify the means? Sometimes? All the time? Never?

Thanks

Perry

If you believe the ends always justify the means, you're in line with Machiavellian thinking. If you feel the ends cannot justify any means, then you're probably more in life with ethics and/or morals.

The Prince by Machiavelli is a worthwhile read.

Worthwhile read, but not necessarily the best thing to adopt as a life manual.

Agreed

 

[Willoughbyva]

buck: I find that discussion here usually involves a better understanding of things then what I could get out of a dictionary or encyclopedia. There are people here that are smarter than me and I would like to get their views on things from time to time. It is just a message board, but some conversations are very intersting and better than some dry definition.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Originally posted by: her209
Do you support torture as a means of extracting information if it meant protecting the nation from terrorist plotting?

Jack Bauer does.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

uh the trolls in Warcraft say that =P

 

[Willoughbyva]

Do you guys think that people think through their actions before they do them or do you think that people basicaly do what they want and if something happens and they get called on it they try to justify it in some way. I tend to think that most people do what they are comfortable with doing and if something happens they will try to justify it. However there are people like me who don't think through things and may be well meaning, but end up doing not the greatest.

How can someone become a deep thinker? Are there ways to get better at contemplating things? Just try to do it more often or are there ways to learn better?

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Willoughbyva
Do you guys think that people think through their actions before they do them or do you think that people basicaly do what they want and if something happens and they get called on it they try to justify it in some way. I tend to think that most people do what they are comfortable with doing and if something happens they will try to justify it. However there are people like me who don't think through things and may be well meaning, but end up doing not the greatest.

How can someone become a deep thinker? Are there ways to get better at contemplating things? Just try to do it more often or are there ways to learn better?

Asking questions like this and being aware of your surroundings is the first part of changing your thinking. I also suggest reading quite a bit, including the classics and 'big books'. There's a ton of knowledge and wisdom out there.